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QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 01:48 PM) Game 3 likely doesn't go into extra innings if Ozzie didn't make the terrible decision to bring in Hermanson to face Jason Lane in the 8th inning. Hermanson hadn't pitched in about 3 weeks, and he clearly had nothing left at that point in the season. YES! I was just about to post that, it sure seemed like a sentamental with Guillen going to Hermanson late in the game. It made no sense at the time and it makes even less sense now. QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 01:48 PM) Okay how about this trap: Ozzie won the world series last year, true or false? Manuel couldn't even win a friggin' playoff GAME. When did Manuel ever have a pitching staff anywhere near to what Ozzie had last year?

An Outfield of Sweeney, Anderson, Dye would immediately improve the starting pitching which should be the #1 goal of management. That sort of OF defense will save more runs than you can imagine.

IMO it should really be between Morneau and Dye with Dye currently kicking the crap out of him, so in other words it should be Dye. There's absolutely no reason to even mention Ortiz, Ramirez and Hafner seeing how pathetic their teams are and their numbers are not so outragous to where they overshadow the other guys in the running.

QUOTE(Dan @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 11:31 AM) i absolutley agree. half this forum is nothing but fair-whether fans, and thats including many of the guys with a lot of posts too. last year, you guys sing our teams praises, we dance in the streets, world series yada yada yada. this year, Podsednik sucks we need to replace him. hell i saw threads sugesting the likes of Dave f***ing Roberts. come on people. we've seen what scotty (and the rest of the team for that matter) can do but he hits a rut and you loose all faith? no trades need to be made, until scott comes out of the slump we play Ozuna in LF and try to pick up our offense 1-9. PS the true reason for scott's slump, Lisa Dergan is too much as for him to handle. shoota's got me on this one. Wow, talk about being WAY offbase. Yes, anyone who questions the team or the manager is a fair weather fan, that makes sense. 1.) Scott Podsednik is a bad baseball player, it was appearant in '04 as well as the second half of last year, tell me one thing that he does well? Exactly, this is not a slump this is him playing the kind of baseball he was born to play. He's been in the league for 4 years, 1.5 of which have seen him play good ball, the other 2.5 years he's been a below average offensive player with some of the worst defense imaginable in LF. There is no more "waiting for him to come out of his slump" it's over, done with, the man should no longer see the field, there's currently 4 better alternatives to him on the current roster, 3 lefties, 1 righty and 2 of which can play excellent defense in the corners. 2.) Dave Roberts. The idea of acquiring Dave Roberts to take over leadoff duties next year was not thought up by an "fair weather, Scott Podsednik hater" on this site, it was reported in some San Diego Newspaper that once Dave Roberts hits free agency this offseason he will be targeted by Kenny Williams so ya, if you want to get upset at anyone for that, go after the writer and Ken Williams. If you think I or anyone else is a "fairweather fan" because we refuse to settle for mediocrity/get upset with the team losing then you should probably rethink your definition of the phrase.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 12:31 AM) Someone doesn't count records with as-ter-isks!

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 12:33 AM) Yeah but those numbers are more typical of a guy you would want in the 3 hole not leading off. Reyes is more of an ideal leadoff hitter. If you stick Bobby Abreu in the leadoff spot right now like the Phillies wanted to do he'd basically become the best leadoff hitter in the league, until Sizemore is moved out of the 1 spot he will remain the best at what he does which is leadoff. What he's doing right now is perfect for a leadoff man even if his talents could be better utilized in the 3 hole.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:57 PM) Next season is going to be really special, as far as guys gettitng to the 500 mark. Off the top of my head, Manny, Frank, and Thome are all within a reasonable stiking distance. In fact, I believe Manny and Thome are now tied at, IIRC, 469. I'd absolutely LOVE to see Frank hit 500 at the Cell. That'd be one helluva moment. Jim, too, but Frank (at this point) has a bigger place in my heart. How insane is it that Alex Rodriguez will likely hit career HR number 500 next season at the ripe old age of 32? Frank Thomas - 480 HR Jim Thome - 469 Manny Ramirez - 469 Alex Rodriguez - 460 Gary Sheffield - 453 Tom Glavine - 287 Wins Randy Johnson - 279 Pedro Martinez - 2986 K Craig Biggio - 2916 H Trevor Hoffman - 473 SV (RECORD: 478 Lee Smith) Craig Biggio - 281 HBP (RECORD: 287 Hughie Jennings) 2007 could be a historic season for career milestones

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:40 PM) My bad kalapse, I'm a huge Jose Reyes fan. Once Reyes puts up a .910 OPS out of the leadoff spot come and talk to me. Sizemore is just an amazing talent, a .378 OBP, above average speed, nice pop (25+ HR), .300 hitter with stellar defense in CF? Yeesh.

You do know Miguel doesn't call his own game right? He gets all the pitches called from the dugout.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:36 PM) I wasn't talking about Anderson... my conversation with Fathom was about what type of hitter we see Ryan Sweeney as in the future. The wrong name came out when I was typing, I know who you were talking about.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:32 PM) I would love to seem him be a Grady Sizemore like hitter. I know he doesn't have Sizemore's speed, but I think his plate discipline could be very comparable. Grady Sizemore is currently the best leadoff hitter in baseball, bar none and well on his way to having an amazing career. That's far too much to be asking of Sweeney.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:32 PM) uh oh - maybe it is effort? Ozuna also seems like he tries harder than anyone else on this team. I am not saying it is true, I am just saying that is what it seems like. No, no it's really not effort. Anderson busts it down the line just as hard as Ozuna, yet Ozuna makes it down much faster, he just has more pure speed than Anderson it's pretty appearant if you watch either attempt to run 90 feet at full speed who the faster of the 2 is.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:24 PM) Really? I bet it is closer than you think. If the scouting reports I've read on both of them are any indication then no, it's not really close at all. Not to mention the visual evidence which points in Ozuna's favor.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 11:13 PM) Who thinks Anderson is the fastest on the team? He might be the most graceful runner on the team, but Ozuna is far and away our fastest player. There are 14 guys in the majors with 30 or more steals right now, and everyone of them is a speedster (except maybe Pods, but that's another story). Every single guy on that list is significantly faster than Anderson. I don't have his career minor league stats, but since when have we projected him to be a 30-40 stolen base guy? 1.) Ozzie said he thinks Anderson is the fastest guy on the team which frankly is a crock. 2.) Anderson had 20 total SBs over 3 years in the minors his minor league high was 10 for Winston Salem he also stole 17 for Arizona in his final year in college. Anderson is more known for being a smart baserunner and a good runner with an excellent first step, he's not particularly fast.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 09:12 PM) I'm rooting for the Tigers to sweep the Twins. Very nice win, I think we all needed it. We were the better team this series, it's too bad the results didn't reflect that. Completely agree, a Tigers sweep would be huge especially if the Sox can take care of business Vs the Indians. If the Sox lay an egg against the Indians and the Tigers sweep the Twins, the Sox are still right there in the Wild Card race. If the Sox sweep the Indians to go along with a Tigers sweep of the Twins, the Sox are looking at a 3 game (in the L column) buffer on a playoff spot. There's way more upside to a Tiger sweep than to a Twins sweep.

Will the real Chicago White Sox please standup?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:35 PM) Uhhh... So instead of doing something logical like posting a 2 month span of OPS, I have to find just one week. Damn, I guess my thinking is just stupid I don't have the time, nor the care, to find a 1 week time period. I found a 2 month time period, and I think that should be plenty suitable, but if not, you win. I think I'm just done with all this silliness, I never thought the White Sox fanbase was this dense but appaearantly I was mistaken. Time to hit the gym for the next 4 hours.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:32 PM) LOL That is a one week portion? ok, now find me a one week portion of ARod's career where it was worse than any one week portion of BAs career. Thank you. I could have swore I wrote 1 week. Right? Let's just be consistent here. Not but a week ago Alex Rodriguez went 2-27 w/ 14 K, that's pretty atrocious if you ask me. And to add to this Anderson over that same stretch went 7-19 (.368 BA) with only 2 Ks.

QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:25 PM) Rock, I have nothing against Anderson, but to see people stating his value equivalent to Garland is just so absurd. Garland has been one of the best pitchers after the Allstar break. I am done with this thread. Go ahead and drink the Anderson Kool-Aid! Dear god no one ever said that? Do you have a reading disability I should know about?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:20 PM) ARod was NINE-FREAKING-TEEN YEARS OLD! Plus he only had 48 games. Brian Anderson is 23 years old and has at least double the at bats and games played than ARod did in 1995. Take a loook at all of ARod's full seasons and get back to me. OH BOY! 2 games in a week. WOOHOO! I really can't believe this is an argument or that you are really even comparing these players. You helped prove my point. Thank you. These players shouldn't be compared. You said Arod and Pujols have struggled less in their careers combined than Anderson has this year, I showed you basically that Rodriguez had a very similar year in his first full season, why must you people get all defensive? It's about proving a point incorrect, not comparing the 2 players for thier talents or abilities.

QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:17 PM) I've seen so many times that he could not get the runners in. I even remembered one game when a man on third with one out, and he could not even lift a flyball so that the runner can score. You know what he did? Nothing, whiff! Strike out! Ok, I've seen basically every hitter in the Sox lineup do that multiple times over the past 2 weeks. And I never said they were equivalent in their effect on the team's success during their hot streaks, I'm saying Garland was terrible for 2 months and Anderson was terrible for 2 months they've now been pretty damn good for the past 3 months, considering the expectations placed on them. An .800 OPS from Anderson over a 3 month timespan is pretty great considering what's expected of him, Aaron Rowand didn't get anywhere near that last year. QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:22 PM) If I can live again, again and again, I would take Arod over Brian Anderson again, again, and again until eternity... Your statement is so absurd! When did I say I'd take Anderson over Rodriguez? When did I even imply that? Damn, you're dense.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) I will give you ARod, but I am not so sure about Pujols. Plus I don't think comparing BA to two the best offensive players in baseball is a good thing. From the looks of it BA has had more bad weeks in one year than Arod and Pujols have had in their combined careers. Yeah the .672 OPS ARod put up in '95 was pretty f***ing awesome. ROOKIES STRUGGLE FOR THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF THEIR PRO CAREERS HOLY s***! And take a look at what pujols did last week, he had a s*** couple of games most players tend to do this, especially when they're not used consistantly.

Who knows what could have been had Anderson not been benched imediately following his excellent offensive game on the road in Detroit.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:03 PM) I don't mind anything Ozzie said about Anderson because he has had a very dissappointing season, and before the cheerleaders can put down their pom poms and rush to the computer, two decent months do not a season make. I don't understand why Anderson has a Hall of Fame wing here at soxtalk. Anderson = Garland for 2006 They both had 2 horrendous months which fried thier stats for the season yet have picked it up substantially over the past 3 months improving thier season stats but not to the point where it's going to look anywhere near excellent when the season ends. Garland turned his season around on June 13, Anderson; June 11th. Perhaps if people ditched the lame ass "hall of fame" and "man crush" s*** and actually paid attention to the play on the field there wouldn't be the same f***ing arguments in 5 threads right now.

QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 12:54 PM) If you are a good hitter, regardless of who is infront of you, you will still be good. Face it. Brian Anderson so far STINKS this year. This is you showing how little you know about baseball. Have fun with that.