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QUOTE(VAfan @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 08:05 PM) Are the Pirates "showcasing" Roberto Hernandez here? Do we want to light him up, and not trade for him? Or see him pitch well so he seems more attractive? (We could still win the game with the lead we have.) I think the pirates are now showcasing all of their tradeable talent. Roberto had a high fastball, flyball city. I dont know if I want him. I dont know how he would project at the cell in summer.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:53 PM) one would think that the faith in a team that had just won 10 out of 11 games would go a little farther than it did in this game thread but there you have it, we had people jumping off of buildings once again in the 6th inning I just don't understand why certain people's faith in this team is paper thin I'm not putting myself on some high ground here, this looked like a loss to me too, sure but I don't get the perspective of people who want to blow up a few bad innings into a much bigger deal than it is it's happened in numerous game threads this season, especially recently I personally think it stems from the uneasiness of the Tigers constantly being in front of us I have high expectations for our team. I believe our offense should be able to throttle teams like this. I think the team loses focus when they play bad teams. Our team is top tier, and this one is bottom tier. I have had a frustration for years with our inability to beat the crappy teams we should beat. It has been a problem for a while. This year because the tigers are doing well, we need to get some of these wins against bad teams. QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:55 PM) Montero in the game? Are you f***ing kidding me? I thought he punched his ticket when he let up all of the inherited runners the other night.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:48 PM) Bad approach by Thome. He just needed to put it in play, not kill it. Thome is a live by the sword, die by the sword hitter. He swings hard, when he makes contact he kills it, when he doesnt he Ks. He is your throwback, power hitter. I can deal with him King. I was worried more that Marty Party would bean him with his pathetic lefty on lefty control.

Marty Party, the guy with all the tools except one.

Now take this approach at the plate in this inning. And use it for the next 2 games and we will rock the s*** out of the next 2 starting pitchers.

Holy s***, he hit a line drive to right. Everyone get the f***ing memo. Hit the other way.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:35 PM) Road sweeps are incredibly difficult and rare, no matter what the team. Especially when you only get 3 hits off of a crappy pitcher.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:30 PM) Okay, now pay attention...because this is the part no one seems to be getting where did the Royals sweep them? Silly me for thinking that the 2nd best team in all of baseball could sweep the doormat of the NL Central. Minny swept them at home. Maybe they didnt get the memo that the Pirates are great at home.

QUOTE(soxunited @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:29 PM) good morning, good afternoon, goodnight Pirates win this one And after we leave, they will promptly go back on their long losing streak. The next start this kid has he will be the average pitcher he is always. We are facing 2 more of these types of pitchers over the next two games. It might be nice to have our guys get a plan. Hit the ball the other way. Now the pitcher gets a hit. Sweet.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:26 PM) The Pirates are nearly a .500 team at home. The Pirates do indeed suck on the road We have the best offense in baseball, we have the second best record. We have our number 2 pitcher going up against a guy who might crack our AAA rotation. The royals swept them.

Freddy s***s the bed. Nice f***ing effort.

This pitcher has a 1.72 WHIP. His last start was against the mighty royals and their great offense who tore this guy to shreds. 6 earned in 4.1 innings.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:20 PM) Damn straight!!!! It's not like we're the best offense in baseball by 23 runs or anything. These guys don't know what they are doing! And how does that translate into beating bad teams we should sweep. This team is the worst team in the NL Central. That should tell you something.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) I would have trouble saying it any better. The sad thing, is that everyone including the team agrees that this is going to go down to end. So every game in important. But we drop games to the Royals, we drop them to the Rays, we drop them to crap. While everyone else is just making them sweep and go away. Someone needs to light a fire under this teams ass when they play crappy teams. Freddy is throwing curveballs to get to a full count to the pitcher. Thats sad.

This is pathetic. The tigers will rape this team, and pound them because they got the message, sweep crappy teams. We fart around and f*** around, and drop this because we lolly gag and sleep walk through a game with a pitcher that everyone else hits, except for us. Why, because he throws a changeup away and our guys are waiting for the hotel bar. Hit the f***ing ball already, this guy sucks. f***ing 2 hits only. Hey world champs, the rain is not that far away. Hit the ball or you will lose a rain shortened game.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 02:11 PM) If Jenks threw a 97 mph slider he'd never have to throw another pitch. I'll believe Jenks was throwing a cutter at 97mph. After striking out Biggio Sunday night ESPN replayed the strikeout pitch and you can see the movement his fastball had. It moved a good foot over the plate. Imagine Jenks in the starting rotation. If he were in shape (key point), and a replacement was located for a closer, I'd seriously consider it. He's been a starter throughout his career. If Liriano and his odd delivery could manage, Jenks could as well. The reason he will never make it back into the rotation can be seen on his xrays. Its a screw, that he got from a stress fracture. Throwing that hard is murder on the arm, throwing 180-200 innings of throwing that hard would be too much.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 09:18 AM) Wow. Everything you said is the EXACT opposite of what Ebert said in yesterday's Sun Times. Ebert on Superman Returns I don't usually listen to critics or even read them. I just happened to read it yesterday. I'm still looking forward to seeing it, though. Thanks for your thoughts. Ebert only likes artsy tartsy films that no one in the real world likes. He should review Independant movies only, and just get on with it. I pay no attention to the fat man with no film taste. If it is anything like batman begins then it will be great. I cant wait to see it now.

QUOTE(Zoogz @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 09:30 AM) Yep, another Detroit fan, but hopefully this message will be applicable for most people here. Firstly, I would like to say that I have also enjoyed the Tigers' start. BUT... posting on an opposing team's BB to brag about it is not my main plan. I don't know how many other Detroit fans may agree or disagree with me, but for all the Tigers fans that come here I do have a question. When your team is playing another team who happens to be 19-6 against your team through the start of 2005 and who has won a World Series just last year, and your team happens to be holding a razor-thin 2-game margin over them, how many of that team's fans do you expect to say that your team will be playing for a World Series? The Sox have been good for many prior years and awesome for the past two. I came here and signed up because it is nice to see what your rival says about your team. However, Tigers fans, please know that you cannot demand pragmatic arguments. This isn't a media outlet, this isn't even a newspaper which has to hold to any sort of journalistic standard. This is a webboard made up of rabid fans of your *current rival*, the team that has the same goal as the Tigers do which in some regards is mutually exclusive; only one team can really win the Central, and only one team can win the World Series. A team which is 53-25 is clearly a good team so far but ultimately has not even played half its games. As a fan of a Tigers team with win totals of 43, 72, and 71 through the past three years getting to 90 is terrific and the playoffs is just gravy. Why go out of your way to pick fights with other fans and then feel antagonistic and crummy about them when something special is finally happening to your baseball team? If you need to talk junk to your competitor to get yourself into the game more, so be it, but don't be surprised if some people don't exactly like it. Ultimately this is just my opinion, but I know I feel better by just taking in the debate and continuing to enjoy the Tigers breaking every *reasonable* projection that was made about them through the past offseason. White Sox fans, thank you at least for the candidness that you provide, and for your hospitality here. I love to hear honest opinions and as many as possible, and while some things on the White Sox (notably their manager) have rubbed me the wrong way personally, I must admit that I have been enjoying everything that this season has brought to begin with and hope that it will continue... and also have found a healthy respect for a club who has been 149-89 since 2005. There's a lot to emulate, even if I don't believe the manager is one of those things (so sorry...). With that said, I hope you White Sox fans don't mind a question as well and I also hope you don't think me too forward... as fans of the White Sox, and taking in account what has happened this year... was last year more fun where you had little doubt all year and little to play for until the end more enjoyable, or has this strange little streak for both teams been enjoyable to watch and follow? I certainly know my response, especially since the Tigers have never really been in the first situation since I started watching them in the early-90s, but I am curious to learn your reactions. Thanks for putting up with some of the more vocal of us, and I hope that I can come here for a long time even when the Tigers return to being bad. (Though I'm crossing my fingers that this won't happen for a while.) Welcome to Soxtalk!!! Nice post. I dont think the Tigers are going to fade that much. My only questions is how the arms will hold up over the full season. Zumaya will probably be promoted to the closer role at some point soon. How will he react to that. Verlander hasnt pitched too many innings in his previous years, and now will be asked to pitch a lot more this year. Rodgers for years hasnt been a second half pitcher. If you get past those issues, and stay healthy I dont see how you cant be there at the end. The twins have great pitching, however their offense is still shoddy at best. They are hot now, but I dont see them winning the necessary amount of games to win either the WC or the division.

Isnt Oliver Perez's agent the one and only bloodsucker known as Boras. I think he is there to see Roberto and Torres. Keep stockpiling arms.

QUOTE(Hurons @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 11:02 PM) I hate to look as the past as you can see from my posts, but you guys continue to bring up the past in regards to Tigers pitching. So here is my question, What was the SOX second half record last year? Did they fade at all? Were they ever in danger of blowing their huge first half lead? And if so, what did it ultimately cost them? You get the point and you know the answer. The big difference from the position the 2005 whitesox were in, and where you are is the fact we had a 15 game pad on the division, which allowed us to slump and suck and not give it up. We almost did. A 2 game pad, is not as safe as a 15 game pad.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) Ya, he went from making excuses to flat out ripping the US team to shreds following the Ghana game. He was dead on too. He was sick of hearing excuses from Arena and called for the ouster of Arena. He was pretty harsh and Arena was being interviewed later on and pretty much was asked pointedly about the callings for his firing by the ESPN commentators (since they are former US soccer stars). Lalas was awesome and his commentary where he would go off on Rynalda was great. Both really spoke there minds and they differed in opinions from time to time and it made great TV. I've been watching most of the games as I get to wake up to them out here on the West Coast and than catch WC live. I also like the Euro analyst they've had on because you get a totally different perspective of things, since they won't have the US bias that our guys obviously will have. We played fantastic against Italy, one of the best teams in this tourney so I see no reason why you shouldnt' be optimistic. The team was completely jobbed by s***ty officiating yet stuck in, played a man down and got a tie. It was a very impressive and gutsy performance, one in which Donovan actually showed up. How was anyone supposed to know that Donovan would take a completely dive, our coach would be completely inept, and that Reyna (a so called veteran) would make rookie mistakes and f*** our chances. Its not like Ghana outplayed us, we had a s***ty call in the box and a dumbass play by Reyna aside from that the US didn't play bad against Ghana. The Czech game was a complete f***ing joke though. Oh and Keller didn't step up and shine like one of the better goalies in the world is supposed to. After watching Donovan and his pathetic display went he went back to Bayer Leverkusen I knew he would s*** the bed on the big stage. All he did is tell everyone, I will honor my contract with Leverkusen. Then just like he did when he was younger, he cried, b****ed and moaned about being homesick. And then to top it off, he played like s*** in a Champions League game against Liverpool. A few weeks later, he was sold back to the MLS. Landon was happy as hell, I was sickened. Keller was never any good. Howard and Macrus have so much more talent, however our coach who loves his vets decided to go with experience instead of his best player. Hence why the Eddie Popes, and the rest of his DC United boys were on the team.

QUOTE(AbeFroman @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) I don't mean to start another debate on the merits of the war in Iraq, but it now feels like we've wasted the our military and political capital on invading Iraq when military options in Iran might need to be pursued. I think its really dangerous to let Iran have nuclear technology. Not only is Isreal in direct reach of Iranian missle range, Iran is just goofy enough to start pawning off its technology to groups that actually might strike the U.S. They seem 10 times more likely to hit us (or our allies) than Iraq ever did. Now if just feels inevitable. Iran will have nukes. Scary. Iran will have nukes for about as long as it takes Israel to obliterate their country. They will nuke them back to the stone age before they let that crazy country get nukes. I hope they are building bomb shelters in Tehran. Because the big nasty is going to come down, suck the paint off all of their houses, and give them a permanent green hairdo.

Boom goes Tehran......

Kotex boy's Daddy thinks he is treated unfairly by the fans and media. Your son can eat s*** Papa Kotex.

QUOTE(Hurons @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 09:32 PM) Chicago is Chicago...... OK I'll play along...Speck was from the South Side. Anyway, the only reason I evven went there is fools dogging Detroit, not the Tigers, but the City. Why? Cause they cant dog the Tigers... Back to baseball. If you want to get back to baseball I suggest you stop with the serial killers, and linking them to the city. Thats not going to win you any friends here. You had some people trashing a city they have never been to. I have been to Detroit, some areas are nice some are not so nice. You can say the same about any major metropolitan city. Why get so thin skinned. If you have problems with the posters PM a mod or an admin if you feel that you are getting attacked.