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Viewing Topic: 8/28 White Sox @ Twins: Castillo vs Kremer 7:10 PM (And off-day thread)
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GT 6/21: TOR @ SOX, 7:10, NBCSC
I don't understand the you can hide him in the OF comment. If we say the innings are roughly equal then how can explain the worse DRS and OAA in the OF than for Burger at 3rd base ? I'm nor arguing either one is good but there is hope for Burger to become better. You can't hide a slow guy who is getting slower. Just because a ball in the gap might be a double that a faster OF might reach doesn't make the damage less or the OF hidden because he didn't get an error.
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GT 6/21: TOR @ SOX, 7:10, NBCSC
Pretty much it is that simple. Burger can get better at 3rd with practice and breaking some bad habits. Vaughn won't get any faster than he is right now and everyone knows he's playing out of position. Vaughn's sprint speed and times from Home to 1st are worse than last year. SS 26.4 ft/sec in2021 , 26.0 in 2022. Home to 1st 4.66 in 2021, 4.73 in 2022. Burger Sprint speed is not bad for his position 27.7 this year and last year and 4.49 Home to 1st. He is 12th among 3rd baseman for Sprint Speed whereas Vaughn is 60th. Burger Sprint speed is 175th in the league and Vaughn 375th in 2022.
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GT 6/21: TOR @ SOX, 7:10, NBCSC
So you don't think range means more to an OF than it does to an infielder ? In the OF you are taking many strides to catch balls in the gap, down the line, over your head and in front of you. I'm not really sure what you are arguing. Range means much more to any OF position than it does to 3rd base. Are you arguing that the DRS and OAA numbers showing Vaughn is a worse OF than Burger is a 3rd baseman is some flaw in those stats ? Maybe you are just trying to convolute things.
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GT 6/21: TOR @ SOX, 7:10, NBCSC
DRS and OAA take range into consideration at both positions. Range means more to an OF than to a 3rd baseman which is more of a reaction position. Vaughn OF totals for OAA is a -7 while Burger in 13 more innings is -4 OAA. So it is inaccurate to say "not getting to a ball at 3rd base is the same as not getting to a ball in RF." In the OF you might have to take 20-25 max strides to get to a ball whereas at 3rd base it's usually 2 or 3 steps max to the left or right. More if you are coming in on a ball. The slower you are the less balls you can get to in the OF. Every slow stride costs you ground. DRS and OAA are how you do relative to the average player at the position so not getting to balls is the reason for his low totals not because he boots balls. A 3rd baseman will always have more errors than an OF in the same number of innings. While I am using the cold hard facts from Fangraphs you counter with anecdotal evidence about some advantage for a 3rd baseman's for "many" botched DP's. Please use some evidence to back up your claims.
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Recency bias and errors at 3rd base are errors. Errors or lack of speed in the OF don't look as bad because a ball just out of reach in the OF is a double but not an error. So in the OF the lack of range hurts you but at 3rd you get actual errors on your record that effect your fielding percentage. This is why DRS and OAA is used. Fangraphs 2022 Burger 3B 281 innings -4 DRS ,-4 OAA Vaughn RF 130 inning -4 DRS , -1 OAA, 22 Putouts Vaughn LF 138.1 Innings -4 DRS, -6 OAA 27 Putouts Vaughn has been worth .9 fWAR Mendick .7 fWAR Burger .6 fWAR Vaughn Mendick and Burger have been the 4th, 5th and 6th most valuable members of the Sox position players. WAR is capable of going up or down . It appears Vaughn is better in RF but consider the ball probably finds him less in RF For anyone talking about sending Mendick or Burger down Mendick is 5th on the Sox in fWAR which has been racked up in a short period of time, most of it since TA was injured. As mentioned 5th and 6th most valuable position players for the Sox this season Burger was leading the team in HR for a short time until Abreu passed him. Vaughn's moved up his fWAR with his hitting lately . I'm pretty sure it was at .6 last week. Draw your own conclusions on the defensive data .
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A Guy The Sox Should Sign IMO
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AND THAT'S A WHITE SOX PACKED LUNCH WINNER!!!
Last 6 games 15 for 29, BA .517, 4 of the 6 games @ DH. 5 of the 6 games on the road. 2 ,4 hit and 2 ,3 hit games in the 6 .
- GT 6/21: TOR @ SOX, 7:10, NBCSC