jackie hayes

QUOTE(almagest @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 12:57 AM) Exactly. It's a judgment call. And any umpire using *proper* reasoning would see that Cabrera's grab had no effect on the play whatsoever. I don't see how you can judge that to be interference, especially after a terrible call was *just* made against us right before this. There was also no discussion of the play with any other umpires, either. All he has to do is hinder a fielder who is attempting to make a play. The rules don't make an exception when the play he's attempting to make wouldn't happen anyway. It's a penalty for the infraction and should be enforced regardless. The terrible call just before should have nothing to do with it either way.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 12:40 AM) You continue to repeat this, but I'm just curious as to what your source is here. I think you're just making this up and expecting us to believe you. I understand the logic you're using, but their simply is nothing I have seen which states what you are stating. Why should a player be allowed to basically throw his legs and feet at a fielder some 4-6 feet off the bag but not his arms? It still comes down to what Hawk and DJ have stated for me, which is that they have never seen interference called on a runner when he is able to touch the bag with any part of his body. It doesn't really matter why. There's an interpretation that everyone knows and understands. Just as the strike zone that was called for years and is still more-or-less called doesn't correspond to the 'book' strike zone. Hey, maybe that lost us the game, too. Let's complain! It's accepted everywhere that a normal slide with the spikes down is fine as long as you can touch the bag. But for interference to have some meaning, you can't toss the guy around just because you're close to the base, as much as Hawk and DJ would like for the rule to mean that just for tonight. Suddenly, all Sox fans want to be strict constructionist legal scholars about it. The official rules don't explicitly mention thigh-grabbing!!! Hawk and DJ are ridiculous homers (as well as terrible announcers). If you go by their standard, a runner should be able to bear hug a fielder who's attempting to make a throw, as long as he's on the base. You really buy that? And the funny thing is, if we're being strict about it, there's nothing besides the ump's judgement that matters, anyway. Whatever he thinks intent means, it means. Either way, the Sox have no case.

QUOTE(almagest @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 10:21 PM) I actually think it makes us look worse if we *don't* express our displeasure over at least two terrible, game-changing calls. I think sending a letter to the MLB is far more constructive than whining about it on a messageboard, as well. Also, in regards to the Cabrera play... I agree it was interference, but there was no play on Thome at first anyway. Nothing Cabrera did influenced that. Why, therefore, should Thome be called out? Judgment call or not, that's poor umpiring. So, how's about we just don't whine about it and swallow our medicine? It was beyond pathetic how Joe Buck bawled like a infant over every close call that went the Sox way in the 2005 playoffs. It depresses me that Sox fans are similarly mewling endlessly about how they were like totally robbed in that one game etc etc etc. There were some bad calls. Fine, let it go. As for the interference call, it really doesn't matter. If the player tries to interfere, the runner should be called out. If there was no play, well, then the interfering runner f***ed up. Not the ump. That was the proper call, and I'm tired of hearing all these excuses. That play was called like slides at second have always been called, and suddenly we're all complaining about it. You want to break up the play, you slide hard with your body while still able to touch the base, you're fine. You start using your arms to grab the fielder or slap at the ball, you're not fine anymore. It's not that complicated.

QUOTE(almagest @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) What do you think a message board is for, then? And what's the harm in someone spending 5 or 10 minutes writing a letter to MLB about something that bothers him? Even if it doesn't accomplish anything, at the least it'll make the person who wrote it feel better. I really don't understand your angle here. Speaking for myself, not Beast, I think the harm is that it makes Sox fans look like little whiny b****es.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 07:33 PM) Here is the rule for interference: Seems like they got the call right according to the rule, but unfortunately, that is not how they call it in practice. Players intentionally try to hinder the fielder all the time by sliding in and taking out the fielder, but they NEVER call interference on that unless the runner clearly has no chance to touch the bag. 67 Rule 7.08 B Comment: A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not. If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in the umpire’s judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall Rule 7.08 apply: With less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter out. It's the standard interpretation. If you do something that a normal baserunner might do, like slide, however hard the slide, whatever side of the base you're sliding to, they won't call interference. If you do something that is totally outside the act of running the bases, that has no possible purpose except interference, like grabbing the fielder with your hands, they'll call interference. They give the runner a lot of latitude. You've got to really, REALLY make your intention clear. It was a good call.

This is sad. What, are we gonna whine like Angels fans because of a couple bad calls? Suck it up, people.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 06:15 PM) should be applied the the Bake slide too. Clean slides never get called interference. It's only when you use your hands or something like that (which Cabrera did), something completely extraneous to the act of running the bases, that you get called. I have no problem whatsoever with that call.

God, I REALLY didn't want to see that play end the game.

Man, Borowski sucks.

QUOTE(The Beast @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 06:12 PM) Uh, for those who may not have the score right now, what is it, why are people s***ting a brick and why are the razor blades coming out? That would be 10-7 Indians.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 06:07 PM) Casey Blake??? Why the hell did you do that?

I have no problem with the interference call. You can't intentionally try to interfere with a fielder, whether you're touching the bag or not. Cabrera reached out and grabbed at the guy. Good call. The one at home was bad, though.

To summarize what we're learning today -- Masset is an ace and Thome murders lhp. I'm surprised JD hasn't stolen 4 bases and Uribe hasn't taken a walk every pa.

Yeah, I called that one.

That was ugly, Orlando.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 03:34 PM) Uh....nice 'slide' VMart.. It looks like he pulled something.

Well, that could help us.

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 03:28 PM) Yeah, but an ACE is suppose to get out of jams. Mark is no ace let alone a #1 or 2 starter in a rotation. Hell of a guy but not a front of a line pitcher. MBINAA? ONYD!!!

Looks like Masset might get some work early in the year.

Well, this isn't as fun as the part I missed.

Yeah, he was safe.

Uh oh.

MOTHERf***ER. My cable's down, for basically the first time in two years. Meanwhile, mlb.tv f***ing sucks. f*** everything.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) I'd rather see Thome and his career 0-for-11, 7k line against Sabathia riding the bench, personally. Obviously won't happen, I know. Shows how much I know. What sucks is that I benched him for Billy Butler in 2 fantasy leagues. Goddammit...

Hamilton in the 14th is ridiculous. (In a good way.) Weaver in the 16th? Kemp in the 17th? Who are these other teams?