Jake

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:56 PM) Sitting on the bench for better part of a week has to be hard on someone as streaky as he is. Certainly. Hard to read what's up, but looking bad on fastballs has been a common thread even throughout much of his hot streak

Dayan's all out of sorts lately. Getting jammed by pitches ahead in the count, yanking pitches late in the count

I include young players on the MLB roster when I'm making these statements because I'm sure a lot of people are going to be asking DV-Quintana-Jones for a star player

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:48 PM) I think he would trade those prospects away depending on the player. But you can almost feel Kenny itching to make a deal right now. To be honest Kenny shouldnt give 2 cents what anybody on here or the media thinks about his deal. At least thats what a GM should do. It's more about what we're going to say in three years if we trade away an MLB star or two for a half season of Dempster or something like that while we're itching for more young talent. Kenny certainly wants to make a deal, he doesn't like having a flawed team in a pennant race -- but I'm sure last season is fresh in his mind and you don't want to get caught in the same mindset that sets you up for spectacular failure in the future. Some BS trying to replace struggling players this season is acceptable if the stockpile of young players eventually makes this kind of thing not an issue (either having capable replacements in the minors or at least having a deep enough minor league talent to trade away without ruining the system)

I also think it has to be very difficult for KW to make a move until he has more information on the injury status of John Danks.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:42 PM) I think its only a matter of time now before Kenny goes and gets someone. My question is, of course, how does he do that? It will not reflect well upon KW if he trades away one/some of our few promising young players to get a shot at winning a division that will likely require 90 wins or less to make the playoffs. Mortgaging the future is no longer an option, we're not trying to buy into a 1-3 year window anymore.

QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:10 PM) ??? Ummmmm no! I like de aza. I was saying that to the person that said axelrod is only a AAAA player. The same was said by a few here about de aza too. Axelrod is like de Aza in that neither had been proven to be non-MLB players, but hadn't earned a shot in the MLB without some kind of catastrophe (injury, etc). ADA got his and Axelrod has had a cup of coffee and has put himself in position to be the favorite if we have to have an MLB starter. Not the type of player that pushes a veteran out of the rotation very easily though, just based on his prospect status. If he gets here and produces, no one will talk down about him

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:33 PM) Humber had a great 1st half of the year last year. An ERA over 5 after the ASB raised some red flags. QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:34 PM) He hasnt been able to do that for some time now. I'm all for benching him, but there's no replacement. He lucked out by having Robin trust him and show he could come back and hold them down a couple of innings tonight. He's even luckier that a guy like Axelrod is his only competition at the moment (this is due to Stewart and Santiago being in the bullpen, they were by far our best rotation depth last season). When the competition becomes Quintana, we've got something cooking. It's not for right now. Cooper is going to have to do a little coaching with these right handers and hopefully both can turn it around...but we may only need one to do so. Floyd certainly gets the nod if they keep having similar outings

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:28 PM) He shouldnt get another. But I have a feeling he will. At this point I rather see Axelrod. You have to realize that Humber is extremely valuable to the White Sox if he can command his pitches at all. Humber has NOTHING has an outing like this where Axelrod will have everything working and have similar stat lines. Phil had a great year last year and had mystified many by not succeeding sooner. While we John is still hurt and there are no actual prospects in waiting to replace him I don't mind trying one more start to catch lightning in a bottle. It took some real mettle to settle down after that third inning.

That 2 seamer had some wicked bite

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:24 PM) You think he deserves another start? Eh, I'm not sure if we could expect more than this kind of outing from Axelrod. He probably gets another. Still on the chopping block if we ever see a healthy Danks

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:24 PM) Do those of you who were calling for the Humber hook realize now that Robin made the right move? Four runs in three innings are not enough to pull your starter. I'm glad Robin didn't overreact. With a fresh bullpen I would have pulled him, but with the state of the pen you had to at least try to get more out of him -- it worked

Pitch around Dunn to get to PK? Can't blame them if they do.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 11:20 PM) Yeah he only gave up 4 runs and 9 hits Why does the hit total matter? I could also say he threw 80% scoreless innings. All that matters for these purposes is the run total and the inning total. He may walk away with a win, even

After all that, not the worst of outings for Phil. Even Code Red had a good first inning

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) Yes, I've seen plenty of managers that will pull their pitcher after allowing 8 hits in 3 innings (especially if they're one of the worst starters in baseball coming into the game). Some would, but our bullpen is in a bit of precarious state unfortunately...if Hector gets hit around we're completely f***ed

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:28 PM) Dont give up on him right Jake? Can he play third?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) Pathetic bunt attempt 1/2, RBI

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) I feel like this is what would happen with Axelrod coming up. Axelrod is the likely choice, I'd promote Simon Castro in the meantime too. Matt Zaleski doesn't need to be starting at any level

wtf do you guys want from your long reliever? An ERA south of 5 is gravy unless you want to absolutely stockpile arms which either costs money or costs prospects valuable development time (which is what we're doing now) Humber should go to long relief, Zach Stewart goes down to AAA if you really wanna get crazy let him start

I kind of want to see Simon Castro

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:21 PM) What in the heck was that all about? Whatever, let's get him in. what was what about

I REALLY like Phil Humber as a person and I wish I knew what was going on. It's very odd after all this that he suddenly loses his command. Unfortunately we have to think about just calling anybody up to start just to get a different look. I'd honestly be okay with Zach Stewart starting and only throwing 60 pitches or whatever his limit may be.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:16 PM) Time ballgame. Humbelievable. 7:10 pacific

Okay AJ go talk to him and then Robin go talk to him. Don't let him see any more batters. Something is up