jphat007

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 20, 2006 -> 04:28 PM) First, I was never sold on Logan--and never will be this spring training unless Guillen finds him appropriate work. That should be consisted of relieving starters immediately after they depart-- when opposing teams' regulars remain in the lineup. Find Logan situations such as today where there are runners on base. Basically, situations where you'd expect failure, and anything more is to be regarded as a plus. What makes those hard hit outs different from past appearances is the game situation. It was a tied game with runners on 1st/2nd base. His location was off, and thus, balls were hit harder/deeper. His second inning of work, the Royals last batter--a lefthander--hit a scorching line drive to Anderson. Sort of important in the scheme of things since Logan would essentially be our clubs LOOGY. And remember, none of this has been against legitimate major league talent. Most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? Sounds like a statement someone makes when they know they may be wrong, yet don't want to admit it. He faced 3 of 5 Royals major leaguers. He's faced 7 of 8 Oakland regulars once this year. He has faced other major leaguers scattered in there. If you aren't sold on him that's fine. I'm sure a lot of people don't and won't be. ANd it's very possible that he gets lit up in the bigs. But to say that someone should be concerned because this outing his control wasn't pinpoint, even though he didn't walk anybody (1 walk in 7.1 IP), and because they hit balls harder (2 of 5 balls hit hard) is beyond ridiculous. Be concerned because he has never pitched above A ball and is young. Be concerned for a real reason. Not something ridiculous like this.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 20, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) It's even more of a joke you're acting as if I'm questioning Felix Hernandez out there. What is the appropriate way of reacting to him, exactly? Is there a rule posted within Baseball Prospectus I've missed concerning 6 innings of work equaling major league success? Anyone can have a good 6 innings. Am I supposed to observe and continue believing, against primarily minor league talent, he's TEH AWESOME? I'm still not exactly sold on Logan, yet. If he continues pitching well through the end of spring training I may come around. His first inning of work, with runners on base in a tie game, I notced Logan had trouble locating AJ's mit. This didn't appear to be a concern in previous outings. Why, you may ask? He's been called on to pitch leading off innings, not to relieve pitchers mid-inning. Guillen needs to do two things: one, find him work early in games against legitimate major league talent; and two, place him in more tighty situations such as today Logan gave up two hard hit outs in his first inning, and definitely one "hang-whif em" as the final out. Lefthanders haven't appeared very deceived against him. I don't know where you constitute these concerns as "a joke." Wow. You said this, "After watching that inning, I'm more concerned with Boone than previous outings. His outs are becoming harder hit. From not giving up a flyball (from what I've seen on TV) to several deep in a row, you wonder. And these aren't exactly against major league talent." So your more concerned because he had one ball (the last) hit hard and another hit to the track in the thin air of arizona. He had trouble locating on TWO freaking batters and got outs anyway? Not being sold on Logan is one thing. Not being sold from one outing to the next because they hit TWO more balls hard this outing might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this board. And that is saying something. I can't believe you are serious. Mercy.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 20, 2006 -> 04:01 PM) Are you ever satisfied? It looked like one ball was hit hard to me. He could strikeout the side and you'll complain that it took 15 pitches to do so instead of 14. I think he was joking.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 20, 2006 -> 03:57 PM) After watching that inning, I'm more concerned with Boone than previous outings. His outs are becoming harder hit. From not giving up a flyball (from what I've seen on TV) to several deep in a row, you wonder. And these aren't exactly against major league talent. Lefties haven't appeared to look very overmatched against Logan, either. LOL. You're kidding right. They hit one ball really hard and one ball kinda hard. In the thin air of AZ. I'll just go out on a limb and assume your joking.

I like it. Good hustle BA

Boone Logan

LOL. Nomo looked better than Bmac. Scary.

Nice little bloop single for Cintron. GOod to see a bloop

KW and Ozzie are going to cost us the biggest cactus league comeback in history if they keep throwing out these bums! lol

Not surprising. Decent relievers are almost impossible to find at this time of the year. If Thornton was all we could get for Borchard, I wouldn't get my hopes up that we are going to acquire anybody decent before the start of the season, like some said the other day.

To me he's more confident than cocky. Either way I like it. He has talked it and walked it so far. Hopefully it can continue.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 05:20 PM) And Fathom obviously has concerns that Iguchi wont make it the whole season as the 2b, and while I think Iguchi will be fine, I actually understand where a thought like that would come from. You however eluded that anyone who doesnt think Iguchi will be the 2b all season isnt a sensible poster. No. That's not what I said at all. I said anyone who looks at spring results and determies otherwise isn't a sensible poster. Lemme go back and look and see if that's what I said.....Yep. Iguchi will start 130+ games at second unless he is hitting under .200, which is nearly impossible to assume. So if you think 30 starts is a lot for Cintron, I suppose he could see a lot of time at 2nd.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 05:18 PM) I don't think Ozuna started more than one or two games at 2nd base last year. He had 11 total AB at that position. I meant Willie. too lazy to edit. Didn't know I'd have to.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 05:11 PM) Relax. While I dont want to speak for Fathom, Iguchi is being thrown into a new spot in the order, being asked to do something alot different than last year, just entering his 2nd season, and also is still adjusting to American baseball as a whole. On top of that, he has struggled badly at the plate while trying new things this spring. Cintron looked great in the WBC, and has done almost everything right in the short time he has been in camp with us. Anything small gripe about this team and you take offense. Settle down. What are you talking about. I don't have anything against Cintron. He'll be a very solid backup. All I was saying to fathom was that Cintron won't see a lot of time at 2b (no more than Ozuna last year) because Iguchi is at 2b. I don't have any gripe about anything. ANd I didn't take offense at anything. I'm not sure what you are talking about.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 05:09 PM) Isn't this like the 3rd game he's blown in the last week or so? Yah. He won't be around much longer.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 05:05 PM) I think Cintron is going to get a lot of playing time at 2nd base. Yah, if Iguchi gets hurt. There is no reason to think otherwise. Unless you are going on spring results. And I don't think any sensible poster here would do that.

LOL. Told you.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 04:53 PM) Who the f*** is Augustin Montero The pitcher that is about to blow the game?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 03:27 PM) Tracey looked good there. Kept the ball down for the most part. His fastball had some life on it. He needs to do more of that. I picked a good year not to go to ST. Its pretty cool down there this year. Supposed to be really nice the final two weeks.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 03:23 PM) See, I dont' know why Guillen doesn't find Logan work right here. It's an unfamilar situation with runners on base--one in scoring position. And above everything else, Brewers still have several regulars in the lineup. I don't think he travelled today.

He gone. And I don't mean the batter.

LOL. I don't think any of our good pitchers are here today. GOnna be a LONGGGGGGGGG game.

Bye bye Nunez

Mack wacks a 2 run triple. Tie game. 5-5

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 19, 2006 -> 02:54 PM) I think Ozzie would rather have the kid throw some strikes and check out his stuff. He would rather have a kid get lit up and challenge someone, than do what we just witnessed . ie: Nibble like a gerbil around the strikezone, walk the bases loaded then the next guy does the same thing and a crooked number goes up. That's my point. Getting rocked would have been fine. But our staff/FO hates when guys can't throw strikes. You expect him to get lit up, but you want him to throw strikes anyway.