jphat007

We really s*** our pants in front of big crowds at home.

We are playing like crap.

Three great ABs by Timo!

QUOTE(Balance @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 12:46 PM) I'm just worried that Evil Contreras will show up instead of Good Contreras. We can't beat the Red Sox if Evil Contreras shows up. I wouldn't count on it. Boston CRUSHES Jose. If you were going just on this years stats, cahnces are that you would see a good Jose, but not against the Bosox.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:59 AM) geez, one would think you were jose's mother... Contreras, it seems, has had the curse that Matt Clement had with the Cubs last season... his team's bats just seem to go to sleep on him. He has been decent. No, I just get tired of people bashing when they don't know what they are talking about. Jose has been terrific for us this year. He said he is inconsistent when his numbers show completely otherwise, and then he actually quotes road/home stats like they ahve anything to do with consistency when everybody (for the most part) gets hit hard in this park.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) After looking at the numbers, you fail to point out his bad home/road splits. He's given up more than three times as many homers at home than on the road and his opponent's BA is around 60 points higher at home. If you think he's been consistent then get your head out of your stat sheets and watch the f***ing games. THat wouldn't have to have anything to do with the fact that his park is one of the best hitters parks in the league would it. Have you looked at Garcia's road/home splits? Split ERA W L Sv SvO G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO BAA Home 5.00 2 3 0 0 10 10 66.2 76 37 37 12 27 45 .290 Away 2.33 7 1 0 0 10 10 73.1 55 21 19 3 13 49 .208 Staggering. Worse than Jose's even. I guess he's not consistent or good either. Have you looked at Burly road home splits from last year? Staggering. I guess he's an inconsistent bad pitcher too. Don't get pissed at me because I proved your bashing of Contreras wrong

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) The thing about Contreras , is that when he is bad, he's VERY bad. That's why people get all bent out of shape about this guy. That's just the thing. He reaslly hasn't been VERY bad that much. He's given up more than 4 runs in only THREE starts, which is the same number as Burly and Garland. Now, I know, Burly goes 6 every game, but he's a horse of a different color. The point is, THIS YEAR, contreras hasn't been nearly THAT bad when eh's been off his game. IT just SEEMS like it because he walks people and works slow. THe number paint a very different picture however.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) I'm not going to look at the numbers before saying this but it seems like he chokes at home based off my memories of his Detroit and Arizona performances. His numbers against the BoSox are less than inspiring. That said, its not surprise that he's inconsistent and he's been a little better than even his biggest supporters might have guessed. He's given up 4 runs or less in 16 of his 19 starts. He's given up 3 runs or less in 12 of his 19 starts. He has gone to the 7th inning in 14 of his 19 starts. Would have been 15 but he got hurt in the game he was dominating against KC. Inconsistent? Not so much. He has as many "bad" (More than 4 runs) outings as Burly and Garland at 3. Going into his game the other night he was 20th in the league in ERA. So in other words, maybe you should look at the numbers before you make ridiculous, and incredibly wrong, statements like this: "That said, its not surprise that he's inconsistent and he's been a little better than even his biggest supporters might have guessed."

Frank looks awful.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) I don't think he sucks either I just wish he could get the run support that Jon or El Duque gets because if he gives up that early three run homer like tonight its over. I will agree with you there. But that's not his fault. They come back for El Duque and Garland and Freddy, but not Jose, our most fragile pitcher. IT's gotta be frustrating.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:03 PM) :headshake There is no use in arguing. You're making Schmidt sound like he is a horrible pitcher. This year he has been. A 4.80 ERA in a pitcher's park in a pitcher's league will do that to you.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) Exactly. Schmidt is not a "toss-up" whenever he goes out. You can expect him to be successful and you can expect him to work hard. Contreras, not so much. LOL, and you can pretty much expect him to give up around 5 runs per game. I can't believe you are still arguing this. You are correct in saying it's not a toss up, most of the times he is going to be ineffective, unlike Contreras.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) Only thing I can really say now is that you have to throw all the stats out when Jose takes the bump, and just see what happens. It's a toss up everytime he takes the mound, which isn't what I want going down the stretch,but O'well. Go Get'em next start Jose. Actually the stats are in Jose's favor. 12 of his 19 starts this year he's given up 3 runs or less. If you would have told me that would be the case for Jose at the beginning of the year I would have taken it and run for the hills.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:55 PM) Are you kidding!?! Did you ever see Livan Hernandez pitch for the Giants back in the day. He worked so damn slow and so lazily that the defense was on their heels the entire game and completely out of it. Look at MB, he works fast, get's out of innings, gets the batters in the box....look at his successfulness. LOL> I think you are thinking about the defense getting on their heels. THe offense doesn't say, "man, he's pitching great, but he works slow so I'm not going to score any runs for him"

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:41 PM) The next 3 games!!??? Didn't 007 have a stat that said he'd only given up more than 4 runs only 4 times in all of his starts this season? How can it balance out, if you give up 1 ER in a start, than 6 in each of your next 3? ONly 3 times my good friend. Only 3 times.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) Are you high? The only reason his ERA is of that cliber is because one day he is great and the next three games he sucks ass. It balances out....hence, it is called Earned Run AVERAGE. No, your the one that has it wrong. He has "sucked ass" 3 times this year in 19 starts. In those starts he gave up more than 4 runs. in his other SIXTEEN starts he has given up 4 runs or less in everyone of them. in 12 of those 19 he has given up 3 runs or less. He has been bad (more than 4 runs) in one out of every 6.3 starts, the SAME percentage as Buerhle and Garland. But don't let facts get in the way of your uninformed bashing.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) The simple fact of the matter is that Schmidt >>>>> Contreras. Period. There is no argument. Schmidt has postseason experience. Successful at that. Schmidt knows how to pitch. He has confidence. Contreras is highly overrated. Arguing that Contreras is better than Schmidt is like arguing that Glendon Rusch is better than Freddy Garcia. Schmidt of last year might be better than Contreraras of last year, but this year Contreras blows him away, and its not even close. Your argument is that because Schmidt was good in the past, in the NL in a pitchers park, he'll be good when he comes here when he has been terrible this year compared to Contreras.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) Jason Schmidt or Jose Contreras, who do you pick? No explanations, no money issues, just who would you rather have pitching on the Sox? Right this second? With everything we know about them? Jose Contreras in a heartbeat. His numbers are better in every way.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) Funny if we trade for Schmidt and he gets no run support, hate to say I told you so, but hey whatever works. If Schmidt had the same run support Contreras gets this year he'd be lucky to have a couple wins the way he's pitched.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) Didn't think so... It's like you don't know how to read. It's amazing. Coming into tonight Contreras ranked 20th in the league in ERA. Ahead of Randy Johnson, Jeremy Bonderman, and many others. If you figure there are 75 pitchers in the league, he would be in the 2nd starter percentile. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:24 PM) Lemme see, uuuum no. Contreras pitches on a good team that bails out their pitchers. Schmidt plays on a s***ty team littered with injuries and that doesn't back up their pitcher. THE MAN GETS 3.1 RUNS A GAME. Are you kidding me? Bails him out. He's had to win 2-1, 2-1, 1-0, 5-3, and 7-2 this year to get a freaking win. Unbelievable.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:22 PM) Contreras. Blows. Ass. Schmidt. Doesn't. At least Schmidt has some confidence. At least Schmidt knows how to locate his pitches. At least Schmidt uses more than 2 pitches. At least Schmidt knows how to pitch in the post-season. At least Schmidt can calm himself down when getting in a jam. At least Schmidt can pitch out of a jam. At least Schmidt isn't a pussy headcase who loses ALL confidence when pitching out of the stretch. At least Schmidt is a smart pitcher. Yah, Schmidt knows how to locate his pitches to the tune of a 4.80 ERA in a PITCHERS league in a PITCHERS park. I can't believe what I'm reading tonight. its amazing.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) Does anybody know how many runs Jose has given up in each of his wins. 1, 1, 1, 2, 0. He has pretty much had to dominate to get W's this year.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) I'll take Schmidt in a heartbeat over Contreras. Well then you are thinking about what you've heard in the media and in past years rather than what is going on in real likfe this year. Jose has crushed Schmidt this year performance wise.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) Contreras still blow's ass. I am fed up with his pussy s***. He is such a f***ing headcase with no f***ing confidence that it is sickening. No, Count/Marte for Burnett is a s***ty trade, I agree. But I would do Schmidt for COunt/Shingo/BMac in 1 f***ing second. I would do that trade WHILE Count is pitching as a real "f*** You, You Suck Ass!" And you are nuts. Jose has pitched 10 times better than Schmidt this year, and it's not really even close. I wouldn't even touch Schmidt for Contreras straight up right now. Jose is more of a sure thing at this point.