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Especially this year, where it's for essentially 4 starts for Gausman and such a limited SS for bundy, I have zero idea. Would not want to be the person figuring it out.

The Gausman Gambit. The Bundy Blunder.

I think if you are a pads fan you are thrilled, but it also doesn't mean the Indians got hosed.

it's a weird trade...I'm kinda surprised Cleveland was that serious about getting MLB talent back over probably better pieces? Maybe this was the best deal though.

The Indians just traded the best player rumored on the block for major league talent and their horrible offense is only improved by adding a league average wrc+ into the outfield, so yeah, I'm not walking away thinking that the Indians offense improved any more than those OPS numbers are likely to regress to something better than .400 and .500s.

I think your first 3 are right, I just don't think Kopech is the right stand-in for arias. I think it would just be a different package. Kopech/Engel/(Thompson or Dalquist)/some position player they were high on.

Oh wow they are a juggernaut now by adding leury Garcia's offense to the outfield.

and Clevinger is held through 2022. A lot of the rest of what they traded were pieces they were liable to lose to the rule 5. Trammel is really the one piece that threw people.

I don't think we have a depth equivalent of this, we'd have to beat it with top end talent.

Yeah, big win is Naylor here. I don't see him providing much more than stability to the outfield, not much of a plus (watch him go on a tear now) So their offense didn't improve, and pitching likely regressed. But they still have so much pitching they are going to be tough to beat.

this is about 12 levels worse than what was just given up by the padres.

I'm not sure another team could have given up the MLB-available talent that the pads just gave up, even if they avoided some of their heavy hitters in Gore/Abrams.

no this is a lot of talent, just not the big headliners. But I'm not going to discredit Cleveland scouting/development. I mean...shit look at the classic trade that netted the Indians bunch of duds...and then Grady sizemore.

weird I thought they traded Cantillo yesterday. Interesting package, reminds me of the Rangers deals where they were sending a bunch of 101-250 guys out for packages like Hamels. edit: Quantrill is pretty good, as is Naylor. Just not the top line talent I was expecting.

Cal Quantrill at least. Anyone in the Indians system is scary but glad it isn't Gore. Glad they didn't get Abrams.

I think Preller is probably an owner's favorite GM to have. He seems to go 0-60 when pushed a bit. Helps he has confidence that they will be able to restock constantly (and with good reason looking at how Texas has fared post him leaving)

The last time the padres were this busy they went 74-88 and had to go on a 5 year rebuild.

Damn, really wanted this guy.

I think his yet to be found 3rd pitch and command may prevent him from being the very top tier of pitchers, but I also don't get upset at anyones notion that a White Sox player is not the very best in the league.

lol I think Giolito has an edge counting this year, but I don't think Giolito is a "3", I'd say he's a 2. I don't think Clevinger is your true ace, but I'd say he's Giolito's level. Berrios/Clevinger/Giolito feel like that same level, Bieber at this point may be on his way to being the only true ace in the central (or Mize).

I don't know...2019 Clevinger was really good. Giolito is on a tear though. I see them as equal when Clevinger's 4 seamer starts working again.

I know, I actually fell into the trap I dislike. Their core is so strong they've been right in it. But they definitely hit that maxed payroll/tapped farm that I think scares a lot of sox fans most after seeing the post WS team struggle to get over the hump.

The sox could re-sign him, or sign a different pitcher, or find garret crochet was a starter. There are multiple offseasons and years to figure that out (or they could trade the high schoolers)

If we're not competitive in 2024, it won't be because we traded away a guy in 2020, it will be because our scouting, drafting, and INTL fell off a cliff (a la the cubs). The dodgers 4 years ago drafted Gavin Lux, 4 years prior to that they drafted Corey Seager. They were a playoff team through all of that. They can now trade away lux for whatever they want or have a new 3b post Turner. Sox can't stop the pipeline.

I'm not shopping kopech for anyone, but yes I would trade Kopech for Mike Clevinger. There is no guarantee a player as good as him becomes available when we need it, he has multiple years of control, and is not still working on control like Kopech is (nor has he missed 2 years of competition.)