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Good point Bad in free agency bad in drafting bad in international scouting decent in trades

lol and i just put together every hahn free agent signing since he became GM. (it ain't good)

White flag was bad but I think worse I felt was Laroche saga and maybe the double dip with guaranteed rate field. This is worse because it confirms the FO isn't up to the job and it isn't getting better.

I was about to write that in a post in the machado thread, how they were going to accelerate signing b free agents and were definitely going to draft vaugn and a college pitcher in round 2, but deleted it to not sound too angry online haha

Nobody asked for it, but just to prove just how terrible hahn has been as GM at free agency now with our 2018-19 class. (this is somewhat edited toward players likely to be mlb signings) I bolded anyone that was a great signing (exceeded value of contract). 2012-13 Dewayne Wise Jeff Keppinger Tony Pena Matt Lindstrom 2013-14 Jose Abreu (skeptical if it counts) Zack Putnam Felipe Paulino Ronald Belisario Scott Downs Dylan Axelrod Brian Omogrosso 2014-15 Junior Guerra (let go for nothing later) Zack Duke Adam LaRoche David Robertson Melky Cabrera Brad Penny Emilio Bonifacio Geovany Soto Scott Carroll Jesse Crain Gordon Beckham Nicky Delmonico Matt Albers 2015-16 Matt Purke Alex Avila Dioner Navarro Jacob Turner Matt Albers Mat Latos Jimmy Rollins Austin Jackson Chris Volstad 2016-17 Derek Holland Cody Asche Everth Cabrera Geovany Soto Gregory Infante Anthony Swarzak Peter Bourjas 2017-18 Matt Skole Welington Castillo Miguel Gonzalez Chris Volstad Xavier Cedeno Jeanmar Gomez Bruce Rondon Hector Santiago 2018-19 James McCann Kelvin Herrerra Jon Jay Who is excited to go discount shopping with Rick Hahn?? We have plenty of money for b/c free agents! EDIT - see post with $/WAR

The problem is the white sox have not shown that they have improved their talent evaluation or development. Manny was a cheat code to cover it up.

I wrote this when I was trying to figure out how big a disaster it would be if machado didn't sign. It's still a disaster, but it was helpful to me to figure out what is required to keep rebuild on track. Mainly - we can't underestimate likelihood that we'll feature only an average offense. They really need to find big bats in the corners, not just .800 ops 1b, they need to be great, because we don't know that we will get great offense from our other positions.

Just rain the shit on top of us

Totally agree with this. Perhaps in a different org hahn would be a much better GM, but one of his failures is being unable to convince JR to operate in a different mode. If we legitimately will never spend above $130 million, the organization needs to operate completely differently than it does. For one... you cannot lack an international free agency pipeline.

Because our front office isn’t good at talent development, our core of prospects is atrophying to injury and poor development. Joy

The only thing putting me in a good mood right now is remembering people that have that rick Hahn Obama spoof T-shirt in their dresser lol

Please dont

I don't understand why sox are acting so shocked. Had they actually offered the HIGHER DEAL and he signed elsewhere then okay, but ...you didn't offer enough?

That they completely misjudged the machado market, thought offering access to a exclusive coupon club would make up for the lack of additional guaranteed money, and that they wouldn't fork over $300 million.

God they are gonna sign like adam jones aren't they

If the sox will not spend more than 66 million on a free agent, you'd think they'd have the courtesy to start operating like a progressive, smart front office squeezing every bit of value out of their budget like the rays and as. Instead they are delusional, thinking that they are all individually brilliant and loyal and they will find a way, no need to shake the boat, then one of us could lose a job!

Who cares, we could have put players in those positions that could provide same value longer term. Yonder alonso hit .738 as a first baseman last year. Same as matt davidson. He's not good.

And it didn't matter about take home play, clearly manny wanted to say he was a 300 mill player. Getting him 300 million in a way that smooths operating issues on your team is being creative, not holding his friends and family hostage.

This is probably when sox thought they were sitting pretty, but refused to acknowledge the leverage the player had. And because jerry hates labor leverage so much, he left himself vulnerable to competent organizations.

Exactly. Many posters made the point that they were sitting confidently on a floor too low to prevent additional bidders. That turned out to be true, but the smart businessman said the smart negotiators know that the worst thing you can do is bid against yourselves.

If they entered into this market thinking that their discount deal would work because they held his friends hostage than they are incompetent and its nobodies fault but their own.

Exactly. The white sox have a higher payroll than the As and Rays, who will compete for playoff spots. Their rosters are unbelievably more talented. The As got Profar for a really nice, smart deal. They always just look for good undervalued players. The sox paid market price for 2 average relievers. Their war will be 1/3 of manny machado brings this year, their cost? 1/2.

I legitimately feel terrible for them. They were used against manny in all honesty.

They are delusional, they are so inept. Yet, they think they are so clever.

Yeah I wanted the sox to sign machado more than anything, never wanted my concerns vindicated. But it's obvious there are signs of failure in the sox execution and way of operating that puts them at a disadvantage. When it's pointed out its met with a lot of resistance, but a lot of posters were right. The sox need to find big bats, and in search of big bats I am sure they are going to have tunnel vision. Like when they tried to fix the offensive output of catcher by ditching tyler flowers only to not fix the offensive output and open up a defensive issue. Which they tried to fix by ditching narvaez. I'm not surprised, but I'm still annoyed and upset from a fan perspective. This makes the rebuild unbelievably harder. It was just money. Now they need to use talent in the most efficient way possible. The sox should really question whether their judgment of value is completely deficient considering their output. Machado at 300 mill is too high, but alonso at 10, nova at 9, herrera at 8, all getting you output you should easily be able to create with 800k. We helped our rival and took on a .780 ops first baseman. SMDH