bmags

Yeah I think it's plausible. KW is much more competitive and in isolated events like this looks at "winning" correctly - you give up what it takes to get your target.

At this point, much more effective to publicly state you won't be outbid, come in hard with the highest offer and discourage teams from even bothering.

JR is legit excellent as an owner at reducing labor costs.

I think definitely still top 10 in health. I actually think their bullpen scouting could be above average. That is my best.

There is no info in that tweet that confirms the white sox were one of the teams with a 300 mill offer.

MLB is likely to expand. I'm really not worried. (I also thought it was very likely sox signed machado)

LOL. I really thought that organizationally they had changed, but this is spot on. I'm not sure what they did best though. I think people overrated how successful their pitching development was by 2015. Their pro scouting, which was truly top of the league in the 00s, had become inept as the aging curves became more pronounced. As we saw, their bargain bin free agency hunting was terrible, but they also were terrified to give shots to guys off the waiver wire that were likely to give equal production. They definitely when faced with jumpstarting the org did not revamp anything, they just tweaked it and may have moved from worst in league to below average.

Indeed it does. Can't beat this dead horse enough: Jerry Reinsdorf cares more about major league baseball controlling labor costs than he does the white sox succeeding. He will not let the sox break rules that compromise that premise. Will let them break rules wherever possible that do hurt labor.

I think it's hard to argue that there is a worse GM. People clown on the rockies and on the mariners but Dipoto put together a better team than any sox. The rockies can draft pretty well and develop. The dbacks got their shit together. The angels are drafting better and both of those orgs have developed pretty well. LOLmets were in world series, just created an incredibly deep team and Conforto may legit me an all star. Regardless if I think it's good, I guarantee it does better than anything Hahn put together. KCR, wouldn't want that FO personally, undoubtedly more to show for it. Reds were on a slow aging core, it sucks, but found a suarez (we are incapable), have a legit great infield coming up and again, probably a better team than any hahn creation. So then we have probably marlins vs. hahn, and the marlins had by far the worst owner in business. They, despite spending nothing, continuously turn out some great players. It's really hard to argue that Hahn isn't the worst, quite frankly.

Hey man they searched YouTube for some coaches

For many teams adding a 30 mill player makes it more difficult to succeed. For this iteration of the white sox, it made it a lot easier. But really, if I'm being kind, the easiest way for the white sox to have succeeded would to have a good front office. This is a bad front office, so everything is harder.

Things the white sox had 2 years to prepare for - 2018 Mega class with machado harper - Signed 0 Grade F - 2018 INTL FA class (first year with budget - sox likey - first year out of penalty box) - Sox linked to zero of the top 30 players Grade F

soxmachine probably will, not that i particularly like it, but many others got a little too chummy getting access with hahn and don't want to miss out.

Yes this is clear from Kenny. He thinks that it works as shaming the padres "ho ho you bid against yourselves, us smart pants did not and we have... oh shit we have nothing to show for it"

Sox shoudl send out that photoshopped harper white sox UC image so I can have it as my desktop. Reinsdorf teams just kill it with photoshop presentations.

Yeah. It's better than paying 14-15 mill for 2.5 war starters

I think marwin is one of the few decent acquisitions left. When it seemed he could get 4/80 then it seemed bad but if its 3 for 20? 21? If he is just himself you can trade that, if he reappears as a .900 hitter then you trade it. If he's a .775 hitter you have a better yolmer and maybe keep it.

True, they seemed intent to get the player rather than obsess over the general baseball market and precedent. Weird.

Listen these are businessmen and brilliant negotiators, us ignorant fans cannot understand their wisdom.

Hahn is falling on the sword for jerry because hahn knows he'll never get fired anyway.

This should be the response to every one of hahns quotes this morning.

exactly.

does anyone kinda wish we had cowley back just for this day or two?

Sorry with my genre of posts that are just "I said something a while back" But I always worried with sox getting in a bidding war because it always seems like they try and land a big opening punch and if it doesn't land they choose not to counter when others persist. It seemed like it ended up the same. I'm guessing that 250 offer was a part of that pre-new years package, they played around with vesting options and then just sit around confused like "why are others going beyond our rational decisions?"

Totally agree with this. Totally. We laughed when the ricketts canceled their cubs appearance, but...JR doesn't do one at all. He should face the effing music.