Rowand44

QUOTE(dasox24 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:19 PM) "Legends of the Hidden Temple"? That show rocked. What about guts?

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:17 PM) The Bears could never, ever begin to approach the Elite 4. New England Jacksonville Buffalo Carolina Let's take a look at this more closely. I will only list players who are above average (aka solid) or better. If you're merely adequate, you represent a hole as far as I'm concerned. First off, one of the deepest defensive squads in the history of the NFL: New England FS: Eugene Wilson (All-Pro Caliber) SS: Rodney Harrison (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Duane Starks (Solid), Randall Gay (Solid) CB: Asante Samuel (Solid), Tyrone Poole (Solid) OLB: Willie McGinnest (Solid), Rosey Colvin (Solid) ILB: Ted Johnson (Solid) ILB: Chad Brown (Solid), Monty Beisel (Solid) OLB: Mike Vrabel (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Richard Seymour (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Vince Wilfork (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Ty Warren (All-Pro Caliber), Jarvis Green (Solid) I'm counting 16 guys who are solid (aka above average) or better. There is not one hole on this defense. It's New England, and then the following 3 teams: Jacksonville FS: Deon Grant (Solid) SS: Donovan Darius (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Rashean Mathis (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Kiwaukee Thomas (Solid) OLB: Akin Oyodele (Solid) MLB: Mike Peterson (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: Daryl Smith (Solid), Greg Favors (Solid) DE: Paul Spicer (Solid) DT: Marcus Stroud (All-Pro Caliber), Tony Williams (Solid) DT: John Henderson (All-Pro Caliber), Rob Meier (Solid) DE: Reggie Hayward (All-Pro Caliber), Bobby McCray (Solid) Buffalo FS: Troy Vincent (Solid) SS: Lawyer Milloy (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Nate Clements (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Terrence McGee (Solid) OLB: Jeff Posey (Solid) MLB: London Fletcher (Solid) OLB: Takeo Spikes (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Chris Kelsay (All-Pro Caliber) DT: HOLE DT: Sam Adams (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Aaron Schobel (All-Pro Caliber) Carolina FS: HOLE SS: Mike Minter (Solid) CB: Ken Lucas (Solid), Ricky Manning (Solid) CB: Chris Gamble (Solid) OLB: Thomas Davis (Solid) MLB: Dan Morgan (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: Will Witherspoon (Solid) DE: Julius Peppers (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Brentson Buckner (Solid) DT: Kris Jenkins (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Mike Rucker (All-Pro Caliber) Now that we have the elite 4 out of the way, we have the teams ranked 5 through 13 IMO in no particular order because it's too tough to call at this point. Those teams: Chicago Pittsburgh Philadelphia Baltimore Denver Dallas Washington Tampa Bay San Diego Now, let's take a closer look. As I have said, I won't even attempt to put these teams in any particular order. I'll also have a 14-22 bracket for teams that are middle-of-the-road. Some might wonder why I don't have the NY Jets or Atlanta in the Top 13, but I'll go on to explain later. They'd round out the Top 15 IMO. Chicago FS: Mike Green (Solid) SS: Mike Brown (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Charles Tillman (Solid) CB: HOLE OLB: Lance Briggs (Solid) MLB: Brian Urlacher (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: HOLE DE: Alex Brown (Solid) DT: HOLE DT: Tommie Harris (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Adawale Ogunleye (All-Pro Caliber) Now, scroll back up real quick and compare the elite 4 with the Bears. We just can't f*** with those teams. Philadelphia FS: Brian Dawkins (All-Pro Caliber) SS: Mike Lewis (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Sheldon Brown (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Lito Shepherd (Solid) OLB: HOLE MLB: Jeremiah Trotter (Solid) OLB: HOLE DE: Jevon Kearse (All-Pro Caliber) DT: HOLE DT: Corey Simon (All-Pro Caliber) DE: HOLE Pittsburgh FS: Chris Hope (Solid) SS: Troy Polamalu (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Deshea Townsend (Solid) CB: HOLE OLB: Joey Porter (All-Pro Caliber) ILB: James Farrior (All-Pro Caliber) ILB: HOLE OLB: HOLE DE: Kimo Von Oelhoffen (Solid) DT: Casey Hampton (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Aaron Smith (All-Pro Caliber) Baltimore FS: Ed Reed (All-Pro Caliber) SS: HOLE CB: Chris McAllister (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Samari Rolle (Solid) OLB: Adalius Thomas (All-Pro Caliber) MLB: Ray Lewis (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: HOLE DE: Terrell Suggs (All-Pro Caliber) DT: HOLE DT: HOLE DE: Anthony Weaver (Solid) Tampa Bay FS: HOLE SS: Jermaine Phillips (Solid) CB: Brian Kelly (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Ronde Barber (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: HOLE MLB: Sheldon Quarles (Solid) OLB: Derrick Brooks (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Greg Spires (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Anthony McFarland (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Chris Hovan (Solid), Ellis Wyms (Solid) DE: Simeon Rice (All-Pro Caliber), Dewayne White (Solid) Dallas FS: HOLE SS: Roy Williams (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Terrence Newman (Solid), Aaron Glenn (Solid) CB: Anthony Henry (Solid) OLB: HOLE MLB: Dat Nguyen (Solid) OLB: HOLE DE: Greg Ellis (Solid) DT: Laroi Glover (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Jason Ferguson (Solid) DE: Demarcus Ware (Solid), Marcus Spears (Solid) Washington FS: Sean Taylor (All-Pro Caliber) SS: HOLE CB: Shawn Springs (Solid) CB: Walt Harris (Solid, Carlos Rogers (Solid) OLB: Lavar Arrington (All-Pro Caliber) MLB: Lemar Marshall (Solid) OLB: Marcus Washington (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Renaldo Wynn (Solid) DT: Brandon Noble (Solid) DT: Cornelius Griffin (Solid) DE: HOLE Denver FS: John Lynch (Solid) SS: HOLE CB: Champ Bailey (All-Pro Caliber) CB: HOLE OLB: DJ Williams (All-Pro Caliber) MLB: Al Wilson (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: Ian Gold (Solid) DE: Trevor Pryce (All-Pro Caliber), Ebenezer Ekuban (Solid) DT: Gerard Warren (Solid) DT: Monsanto Pope (Solid) DE: Courtney Brown (Solid) San Diego FS: Bhawoh Jue (Solid) SS: Terrence Kiel (Solid) CB: Quentin Jammer (Solid) CB: Drayton Florence (Solid) OLB: Shawne Merriman (Solid) ILB: Randall Godfrey (Solid) ILB: Donnie Edwards (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: Steve Foley (All-Pro Caliber) DE: HOLE DT: Jamal Williams (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Igor Olshansky (Solid) Now, here are the teams I have in the 14-22 bracket, in no particular order with the exception of the Top 2 in Atlanta and the NY Jets (the teams rounding out the Top 15) Atlanta FS: Bryan Scott (Solid) SS: HOLE CB: DeAngelo Hall (All-Pro Caliber) CB: HOLE OLB: Demorrio Williams (Solid), Ike Reese (Solid) MLB: Ed Hartwell (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: Keith Brooking (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Patrick Kerney (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Rod Coleman (All-Pro Caliber) DT: HOLE DE: Brady Smith (Solid) New York Jets FS: Erik Coleman (Solid) SS: HOLE CB: Ty Law (All-Pro Caliber) CB: David Barnett (Solid) OLB: HOLE MLB: Jonathan Vilma (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: HOLE DE: Shaun Ellis (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Dewayne Robertson (All-Pro Caliber) DT: HOLE DE: John Abraham (All-Pro Caliber) Minnesota FS: Darren Sharper (All-Pro Caliber) SS: Corey Chavous (Solid) CB: Antoine Winfield (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Fred Smoot (All-Pro Caliber), Brian Williams (Solid) OLB: HOLE MLB: HOLE OLB: HOLE DE: Kenechi Udeze (Solid), Lance Johnstone (Solid) DT: Kevin Williams (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Pat Williams (All-Pro Caliber) DE: Erasmus Jones (Solid) Tennessee FS: Lamont Thompson (Solid) SS: Tank Williams (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Andre Woolfolk (Solid) CB: Pacman Jones (Solid) OLB: Peter Sirmon (Solid), Rocky Boiman (Solid) MLB: Brad Kassell (Solid), Rocky Calmus (Solid) OLB: Keith Bullock (All-Pro Caliber) DE: HOLE DT: Albert Haynesworth (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Rien Long (Solid), Randy Starks (Solid) DE: HOLE Cleveland FS: Brian Russell (Solid), Brodney Pool (Solid) SS: Sean Jones (Solid) CB: Gary Baxter (Solid) CB Daylon McCutcheon (Solid) OLB: Matt Stewart (Solid) ILB: Andra Davis (All-Pro Caliber) ILB: HOLE OLB: Chaun Thompson (Solid) DE: Orpheus Roye (Solid) DT: Jason Fisk (Solid) DE: Alvin McKinley (Solid), Kenard Lang (Solid) New York Giants FS: Gibril Wilson (Solid) SS: HOLE CB: Will Allen (Solid) CB: Will Peterson (Solid) OLB: Carlos Emmons (Solid) MLB: Antonio Pierce (Solid) OLB: HOLE DE: Michael Strahan (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Will Joseph (Solid) DT: Fred Robbins (Solid) DE: Osi Unemenyiora (Solid) Houston FS: Marcus Coleman (Solid) SS: HOLE CB: Phillip Buchanan (Solid) CB: Dunta Robinson (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: HOLE ILB: Kailee Wong (Solid) ILB: Morlon Greenwood (Solid) OLB: HOLE DE: Gary Walker (Solid), Travis Johnson (Solid) DT: Seth Payne (Solid) DE: Robaire Smith (Solid) Arizona FS: Robert Friffith (Solid) SS: Adrian Wilson (Solid) CB: Antrel Rolle (Solid) CB: HOLE OLB: Karlos Dansby (Solid) MLB: HOLE OLB: Orlando Huff (Solid), James Darling (Solid) DE: Chike Okeafor (Solid) DT: Russell Davis (Solid) DT: Darnell Dockett (Solid) DE: Bertrand Barry (All-Pro Caliber) St. Louis FS: HOLE SS: Adam Archuletta (Solid) CB: Jerametrius Butler (Solid) CB: Travis Fisher (Solid) OLB: Dexter Coakley (Solid) MLB: Chris Claiborne (Solid) OLB: Pisa Tinoisomua (Solid) DE: Leonard Little (All-Pro Caliber) DT: Ryan Pickett (Solid) DT: Jimmy Kennedy (Solid) DE: HOLE And now, I present to you the absolute worst defensive teams in the NFL. Miami and Cincinatti would be the best of the worst. Miami FS: HOLE SS: HOLE CB: Sam Madison (All-Pro Caliber) CB: HOLE OLB: Junior Seau (Solid) MLB: Zach Thomas (Solid) OLB: HOLE DE: Kevin Carter (Solid), Vonnie Holliday (Solid) DT: Tim Bowens (Solid) DT: Larry Chester (Solid) DE: Jason Taylor (All-Pro Caliber) Cincinatti FS: Madieu Williams (Solid) SS: HOLE CB: Tory James (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Keiwan Ratliff (Solid) OLB: HOLE MLB: HOLE OLB: Brian Simmons (Solid) DE: Duane Clemons (Solid), Robert Geathers (Solid) DT: John Thornton (Solid) DT: HOLE DE: Justin Smith (All-Pro Caliber) Detroit FS: HOLE SS: Kenoy Kennedy (Solid) CB: Fernando Bryant (Solid) CB: Dre Bly (Solid) OLB: Boss Bailey (Solid) MLB: HOLE OLB: HOLE DE: HOLE DT: Marcus Bell (Solid) DT: Shaun Rogers (All-Pro Caliber) DE: James Hall (Solid) Oakland FS: HOLE SS: HOLE CB: Charles Woodson (All-Pro Caliber) CB: HOLE OLB: HOLE MLB: Danny Clark (Solid) OLB: Travian Smith (Solid) DE: Bobby Hamilton (Solid) DT: Warren Sapp (Solid) DT: Ted Washington (Solid) DE: Tyler Brayton (Solid), Derrick Burgess (Solid) Indianapolis FS: Bob Sanders (Solid) SS: Mike Doss (Solid) CB: Marlin Jackson (Solid) CB: HOLE OLB: David Thornton (Solid) MLB: HOLE OLB: HOLE DE: Robert Mathis (Solid) DT: Montae Reagor (Solid) DT: HOLE DE: Dwight Freeney (All-Pro Caliber) New Orleans FS: Dwight Smith (Solid) SS: Jay Bellamy (Solid) CB: Mike McKenzie (Solid) CB: Jason Craft (Solid) OLB: HOLE MLB: HOLE OLB: HOLE DE: Charles Grant (All-Pro Caliber) DT: HOLE DT: HOLE DE: Darren Howard (All-Pro Caliber), Will Smith (Solid) Seattle FS: Ken Hamlin (Solid) SS: Michael Boulware (Solid) CB: Marcus Trufant (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Andre Dyson (Solid) OLB: Jamie Sharper (Solid) MLB: HOLE OLB: HOLE DE: HOLE DT: HOLE DT: Marcus Stubbs (Solid) DE: Grant Wistrom (Solid) San Francisco FS: HOLE SS: Tony Parrish (Solid) CB: HOLE CB: HOLE OLB: Julian Peterson (All-Pro Caliber) ILB: Derek Smith (Solid) ILB: Jeff Ulbrich (Solid), Jamie Winborn (Solid) OLB: Andre Carter (Solid) DE: HOLE DT: HOLE DE: Marques Douglas (Solid) Kansas City FS: HOLE SS: HOLE CB: Patrick Surtain (All-Pro Caliber) CB: Erik Warfield (Solid) OLB: Derrick Johnson (Solid) MLB: Shawn Barber (Solid) OLB: Kendrell Bell (All-Pro Caliber) DE: HOLE DT: HOLE DT: Lional Dalton (Solid) DE: Jared Allen (Solid) Green Bay FS: HOLE SS: HOLE CB: Al Harris (Solid) CB: HOLE OLB: Nail Diggs (Solid) MLB: Nick Barnett (All-Pro Caliber) OLB: HOLE DE: Aaron Kampman (Solid) DT: Grady Jackson (Solid) DT: HOLE DE: Kabaar Biamila (Solid) Sorry for the long post. Can you tell that I'm in football mode? Props to you for taking the time to write that whole thing out.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 05:10 PM) Was it really not raining for a long period of time at Fenway during this delay? That's what it sounds like.

Carl and Pauly have been outstanding lately.

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:30 PM) Three woids: it's over.

Carl Rocks.

Nice 3-6-3 dp.

Blum with a shot right at Adam Stern. 1-2-3 for Clement.

QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) i know i don't speak just for myself on this one: you have jumped many posters to be the most annoying person on this board. i'd hate to see what you are like during an 02 type season. Put me down on that list.

Nice play by Pauly. 1-2-3 inning with a lot of pitches thrown.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) HE GAWN ^

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) Not as ridiculous as Buehrle probably losing Tuesday Night against Santana. I'm still waiting for this thread you were going to create about Buehrle not being an ace. You realize you can't find anything to back it up?

HE GAWN

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 07:14 PM) I don't. I was obviously wrong. We have no one who can shut them down. Our pitching is overrated. Probably because of the poor offenses we faced in our own division. It's obvious our pitching isn't as good as advertised. All I know is that come playoff time, I wouldn't bet on a White Sox advancement. Holy crap you are ridiculous.

Baseball time.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:53 PM) The two guys we have in the minors with similar upsides are McCarthy and Young. And Roosevelt Brown.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) So when they say "player X" cleared waviers, does that mean he cleared and now its over, or does that mean he cleared, and now any team can make a trade proposal to him?? Once a guy clears waivers any team can make a trade for that player.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) Carl is adequate in the OF and would be better than what I saw from Ozuna last night. Pablo should never have been out there in LF Pablo was actually pretty damn good in left field during spring training. I guess you an expect a bit of a dropoff when this is what his 2nd time playing left this year?

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) *patiently awaits aces to shut down a team worth a damn* You're absolutely correct. Mark and Jon have not shut down any good offenses this year. :headshake

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:31 PM) Another interesting thing to consider, Chris Young hit leadoff for Birmingham last nite. Could mean nothing. Good point. Now that would be an interesting call up, personally I'd rather have Owens get the call this year before Young to leadoff.

Think Jennie Finch knew she was wearing a Geoff Blum jersey?

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:18 PM) Can he really get the job done at the MLB level? The Willie Harris comparison scares me a little. We'll only find out if we give him a shot. I'm sure you agree that it'd be better to give Owens a shot if Scotty is out for a while instead of leading Pablo and Timo off every game.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:11 PM) Like Garcia, he's always a little shaky at first, but usually settles down afterwards. We need to get to him early or it's probably lights out Unfortunately we killed him that inning and got nothing.

Rain Delay.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 11:37 AM) Chuck LaMar is just totally insane. Yes, yes he is.