RockRaines

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) Rock, you should know as well as all of us that the stat packages we see for defense just aren't up to snuff with the ones we see for offense in terms of evaluating talent...yet. There's only so much you can draw from RF and ZR. yes, but its the only way to compare. Cintron is not quite the defensive player Gonzalez is, but he isnt that far off, and produces better offensively. Not only that, he is cheaper and younger. But Gonzalez was a good signing and Cintron was above average? Gimme a break. This is a reason why Red Sox fans relate so well with cubs fans. They are both unknowledgeable and retarded.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) Since he wants to ignore the question. I will post the answer. If Cintron is such a mediocre player, who makes too much money, what is Alex Gonzalez, the starting SS for the Red Sox? I say that they are quite even as players, and Cintron makes less money and is younger. Gonzalez def .968 fpct 4.53 RF .841 ZR off .245 .291 .391 .682 Cintron def .974 fpct 4.33 RF .828 ZR off .279 .320 .412 .732 It looks like we aquired a reserve player who is better than his own team's starting player, is cheaper, and younger. And we got him for basically a player who would never make the major league roster. Oh, and Cintron makes half the amount of money that Gonzalez is making. If Gonzalez is the best defensive SS in the game, Cintron isnt much far behind.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) All questions in regards to why RockRaines and fathom are discussing the Red Sox should be asked towards them, not me. Thanks. Because, you come on here and knock the trade that we just made. When in fact, the points that you bring up are horses***. Cintron is just as good a player as your teams starting SS. He is cheaper, younger, and was had for nothing. You came on here just to bash the move for no reason. This is a f***ing pattern with you. If you stop with your Red Sox homerism bulls***, we will stop tearing up your horrible and uninformed posts.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) I'm not RNW but I'll answer this some...depends on what I need him for. If I need a starting SS and I have Manny and Big Papi, I take Alex, simply because I'm going to win more games with the defense than I am with a slightly better bat. If I have Uribe at shortstop and Iguchi at 2nd and want someone to come off the bench, I take Cintron, since I just need a serviceable backup who can carry a bat. Since he wants to ignore the question. I will post the answer. If Cintron is such a mediocre player, who makes too much money, what is Alex Gonzalez, the starting SS for the Red Sox? I say that they are quite even as players, and Cintron makes less money and is younger. Gonzalez def .968 fpct 4.53 RF .841 ZR off .245 .291 .391 .682 Cintron def .974 fpct 4.33 RF .828 ZR off .279 .320 .412 .732 It looks like we aquired a reserve player who is better than his own team's starting player, is cheaper, and younger. And we got him for basically a player who would never make the major league roster. Oh, and Cintron makes half the amount of money that Gonzalez is making.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) RNW, would you rather have Alex Gonzalez, or Alex Cintron? ^^^^^^^^^^

RNW, would you rather have Alex Gonzalez, or Alex Cintron?

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) Rock...who would have ever imagined that someone would categorize you and me as teaming up on them? This may be the first time ANYONE has ever put us on the same team.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:59 PM) I don't want to ruin this thread, but it seems you and fathom have other ideas. What a shame. :headshake What leads you to believe he can't put up the numbers he put up last year, possibly better as he progresses as a human being off the field, while entering his prime years on it? You ruin every thread you join, of course you wanted to. Otherwise you wouldnt have scrolled back 8 pages to find something to quote.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:57 PM) I've stated my case on several occassions. I watch and follow the White Sox on a daily basis so I enjoy being a member of Soxtalk, even if the White Sox are not my number one team. Please, if you can't talk baseball in a constructive manner, don't talk to me. Go on being your unreasonable, selfish, arrogant, ignorant self and piss everybody else off. Trust me. Your ignorant comments and closed minded view on everything related to baseball is the only thing that pisses people off. I just took your moronic quotes out of my signature a day too late it seems, as here you are again being the same old person. Do yourself a favor, stick to sonofsamhorn.com.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) That first statement is false. Again, please don't put words in my mouth. For the next six years, I will enjoy Coco Crisp. Thank you. I will enjoy watching him be flamed by you in no less than two years. Thanks.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:50 PM) The Crisp deal? he has the same career OBP as Cintron, which you were knocking.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:50 PM) Sarcasm is a wonderful thing. This, I know.

so at this point, we could easily make the final lineup. Borch with the final OF spot. Lopez with the Loogy role. Roster set. Lets go.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:47 PM) Sweeney makes a sliding catch... he is a great fielder. werent you just saying he was average at best?

QUOTE(Allsox @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:03 PM) All I know is the Sunday lineup keeps looking better and better....Let's see the options Ozzie has now if he wants to give the regulars a day off: 1) Mackowiak LF/CF/RF for either Pods,Anderson or Dye 2) Cintron 2B/SS for either Gooch or Uribe 3) Ozuna 3B/LF for either Crede or Pods and of course: Widger for AJ behind the plate. I likey Cintron also plays 3B, so does Mack. Borch will take an OF spot. Mack can also spell paulie or Thome at 1B Effectively Mack LF/RF/CF/3B/1B/2B Left handed bat Cintron SS/2B/3B Switch Hitter Ozuna 2b/SS/3B/LF Right Handed Borch RF/LF Switch Hitter

Gload is buying his own ticket to another team right now. He gone!

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:28 PM) Pop fly out. 1 down. This dude's delivery is awesome. he is perfect for a situational lefty, cause his delivery is so f***ed up

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) Exactly. However, when he doesn't have command of his fastball, he's going to have problems. It's way too early to write him off. I think many people on here are caught in fantasy world. There are basically no prospects that will be major league quality after less than a full season in the minors.

QUOTE(southsida86 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 02:59 PM) Is this Broadway's usual stuff? If it is, he was a wasted pick. He is going to get killed in the majors with that stuff. a righty can't get by with an 88 mph fastball in the majors, unless he changes speeds a lot and has really good junk.(breaking balls, changeup) I haven't seen any junk, so maybe he was picked for trade bait. Kenny, what intrigued you about this guy that made you pick him in the first round? He looks like a AAAA guy to me. You know he hasnt even had a full season of professional baseball yet right?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 02:51 PM) For all the talk about Gload's great defense at 1st base, he seems to botch a few plays that allow run(s) to score. Man, Uribe has some power. Linedrive single off of 3B Figgins' glove. Hes not as good defensively as Konerko and Thome, so I would say hes isnt that great.

Mack is a one man team.

Come on Lance, you are better than this.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) 9 up, 9 down. Santana owns us.

hermy sounds like he is giving up beachballs

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 01:50 PM) It is? I hate the f***ing Cubs, and wouldn't mind if their whole team got injured. ^^^^^^^^