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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) For a guy with two negative wars, a 1.3 and 1.8 in four of his last six big league seasons, i'd call that a huge victory even if the Orioles were only bidding against themselves. They offered 7/154 months ago. The negotiations probably cost him money if he invested it from the original contract. He went back to the Orioles and said give me 1 million more just so I can say that after months of negotiations I got him a better deal.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) If I am following you right, that means he shouldn't have any long term effects from this? Correct. As long as the fracture didn't effect the joint, which tibbal fractures it usually doesn't. They usually higher up the lowrr leg. It can happen but its not as common.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 07:56 AM) There couldve been some mystery team pushing the bidding a little, we dont know. And now whoever that team is ..could turn their attention to Cespedes. So the Sox arent necessarily out of the woods on this thing yet. He only got 1million per year more. No one pushing the bidding. It was just negotiations and he got nothing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 07:28 AM) http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chris-d...cespedes-011516 That's just an insane contract...and another massive win for Boras Corp. So much for WAR. That's more than the Heyward deal for an older, basically one-dimensional, three outcome power hitter who has led MLB in homers and K's over the last three seasons (combined). "I'm not just referring to how the Orioles and Davis seem to be at something of an impasse. I'm not just referring to how Davis has to this point been unable to drum up much of a market. It's just, this is going to require a lot of money, and it's hard to know what Davis is going to be. He's as much a boom-or-bust player as you can find: Last year, he hit as well as Jose Bautista; the year before, he hit as well as Jed Lowrie. He's been bad and he's been an MVP candidate, and there's a whole lot of space in between. ... And you wonder what else this might indicate. This isn't something that just happens by accident, so Davis has made intentional adjustments. It's not like he's lacking in bat speed, but all-fields hitters tend to be less exploitable. Pull hitters can be easier to work around, and if Davis is gradually losing his ability to drive the ball with regularity to left and center, that could be the beginning of deterioration." It's not a massive win for Boras. He waited on a contract for weeks tried to market him as a OF and got 1 million more AAV. If anything the Orioles let him save face by not dropping the contract.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) The major question marks are mechanics, durability and stamina. There's no doubt he's a bulldogish competitor who wears his emotions on his sleeves...and a great college pitcher as well. The mechanic s arrnt the issue as much as the high effort delivery. He uses everything he has on every pitch. Not very conducive to pitching deep into games.

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) I keep forgetting about Carson Fulmer. If luck goes the White Sox way in 2016 with regard to injuries, fast developments, and veteran comebacks, they would be positioned to be quite a team. Then again, what if they needed a mid-season addition to the starting rotation? I was wondering today about who they would turn to that had some real upside potential, and Carson did not even cross my mind. We may need Carson in the starting rotation before this season is finished, and I am glad he is in our system. He will not be ready to contribute to the rotation in Chicago this year.

QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) Mine will be "How come you couldn't move Danks for Trout!?" "Steve? He pitched for us years ago."

Would anyone know how to contact him? I think it would be great for my students to talk with him and hear his story. Would I go through Brooks Boyer?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Doesn't explain why Ren doesn't know who she is, or at least, he doesn't appear to know her whatsoever. In the book once she takes Luke's lightsaber from he he says, "it is you". So he either recognizes her or knows of her.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) That is a great description of the Micker injury too. Again, it sounds a lot like what Robin Ventura did all of those years ago. Hopefully it doesn't hinder Micker the same way. Different injury than Ventura. According to the article Adolfo had a spiral fracture of the tibia. Ventura had a fibular fracture with a dislocation of his talocrural (ankle) joint. Ventura's game was not predicated on speed. His ankle motion would have decreased that. Hopefully, Adolfo's talocrural joint was not involved. If it was, it could effect his outfield mobility.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 07:35 PM) But with an AAV of $18M or less? We're talking about a guy with a 3 WAR floor if he's not forced to play CF. I get his 2015 was an outlier, but the hypothetical Baltimore deal isn't paying him to be a 6+ WAR player, it's paying him to be a 2 to 2.5 WAR player. Honestly, at that price who cares about a 5th year. I still worry about long term payroll flexibility. The 5th year would just hamper the team too much to maintain longterm competiveness with sale and company hittng FA at that time. I would rather spend the money on homegrown pitching.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) I will say this, if the Orioles land Cespedes for a contract in that range, then I'm going to f***ing enraged. I think a 5 year deal would be a mistake for a player that inconsistent.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 04:37 PM) I don't understand it fully, but here's Dave Cameron's explanation: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/position-adjustments/ So is he saying that 10 runs equals one win. If the difference from a catcher to a DH is 30 runs and it's 3 wins? Did they decide the 17.5 penalty for not being on the field is that the DH will contribute 1.75 less wins because he is not on the field helping? Other than just making the math fit the model, this is what he seems to be saying.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) If there was ever going to be a time for the White Sox to spend big on a free agent...it's here and now. If not now, when exactly? When JR hist the 1.6 billion lottery?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 04:25 PM) It's the positional adjustments. Every 1B starts off with -12.5 runs on defense, so Rizzo at -8.9 means he rated out positively for the position. I believe these are the adjustments, but many say they are too extreme (which means C, SS, 2B and 3B might be overvalued, while LF, RF, 1B and DH are undervalued): Catcher: +12.5 runs (all are per 162 defensive games) Shortstop: +7.5 runs Second Base: +2.5 runs Third Base: +2.5 runs Center Field: +2.5 runs Left Field: -7.5 runs Right Field: -7.5 runs First Base: -12.5 runs Designated Hitter: -17.5 runs How can a DH cost you runs on defense? He isn't even out there. Someone must have done a retrospective study and came up with this number to make the math work.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 04:24 PM) Who was the last cub hero we signed? Paul Assenmacher and Davey Martinez. Maybe Will Ohman?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) Absolutely not, there is no guarantee after an injury like that. He won't be ready for any of the combines. I would say it's too risky as well in the first round. After that, yes.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 02:43 PM) Say we get Fowler for 3/40-45, and offered Cespedes 3/60, that money could go elsewhere in a starter or another trade for a need. I don't see anyway the Sox sign two players. They are stretching their budget from last year. I don't have any idea what their budget is but I don't think it will go up that much for non-super star type players.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) With Farmer and DJ I have a problem following the play of the game. They wander and ramble on so much with stories that sometimes I don't know what is happening in the game. Sorry guys, you need to go IMO. I know I'm in the minority but I think the ramblings and such makes it fun and enjoyable. If all I wanted is to see the play and results, the mlb or yahoo apps will tell you that. I listen to the radio to enjoy it

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) Interesting question that got posed to me on another board: Suppose that none of the following things existed: GPS; maps (paper or online); any highway signs (route numbers, road names, exit signs, mile markers, directional signs); any signs bearing the name of any state, county or city; billboards Without all of the above things, and without the ability to ask anybody for any help, what is the farthest specific point from your home that you are confident you could drive to without making any wrong turns? Assume you can split up the trip so that you are always driving in daylight if that helps. I think I could make it to a point in Wisconsin about 700 miles from home. New Orleans. Go west until you hit the big river. Turn left, keeping the river on your right, and go until you hit a really big body of water (not the floods near st. Louis).

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 07:17 AM) He's 18. How many ground balls and throws in the dirt will he take in next 3 years? How good were guys like Konerko and Thome at fielding when they were 18? In order to improve a lot, you need lots of room for improvement. If he hits this year, he will be a great prospect. At 18 Konerko was a catcher and Thome was a 3B. Both were pretty good.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 03:36 AM) Someone was inquiring about the salary expectations...basically Fowler and Jackson for 15-25% less than Upton or Cespedes per year and likely a shorter commitment in terms of years. True. But they will not save money as one of them would be a high priced bench player. It would be more cost effective to sign one and use a rookie as the bench player.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 07:22 PM) Makes absolute sense. Privately funded deal. I understand why Chargers wanted Raiders though, public market studies indicate Chargers would be the preferred LA team in a scenario where you had Chargers / Raiders. Rams are top preferred team (by a pretty large margin) when they are here (no idea why this is the case cause the Rams were never talked about positively when I was a kid). Presuming economics work in favor of Chargers having 50/50 control with Kroenke, I would think that alleviates some of the concerns over revenue sharing. The funny part will be what happens to Spanos after Raiders eventually move to San Diego in future, LOL. The NFL also prefers an AFC/NFC combo to share a market to draw league wide interest.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 13, 2016 -> 02:03 AM) Fowler around $12-14 million per season and Jackson looking at $7-9 million, $21 million's on the lower end of the spectrum of the AAV Upton or Cespedes would realistically receive on short-term deals. But then that lost draft pick for Fowler's currently being assessed at $10-12 million in foregone short/long-term value as well. They are only replacing Garcia. They are not signing or trading for 2 OFs.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) So who in the FO takes the blame on saying yes let's get this guy? RH? The FO made the trade so blame it on the the FO. What differnce is it if it was RH, KW or JR. This was the consensus trade. None of them work by themselves.