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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 01:00 PM) From the outside looking it, there is one guy who calls the shots. That is the Chairman. Everyone else works within Jerry's framework. Again, from the plentiful circumstantial evidence, both Kenny and Rick are OK with it. They both could have left if they wanted to do so at many different points. I thought he has always been a "hands off" owners from the players respect, except for the budget. They needed to go to him to approve over budget spending.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) None of you have any idea who is calling the shots in the White Sox front office. Correct. My guess, is it's everybody's input with Hahn having the final say. Just as they used to say it was everybody's input with KW having the final say.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 11:29 AM) There were two competing philosophies about closers. The KW one was to go out and get the established guy, like a Billy Koch....ignoring the fact that Howry, Foulke, Gordon, Takatsu, Hermanson and Jenks were all inexpensive and able to get the job done pretty darned effectively. We saw that trend continue with Sergio Santos, Hector Santiago and Addison Reed...shipping out pitchers from this position and continually trading them to fill in gaps (or try to) in other places. Essentially, copying the Oakland A's way of doing things, which wasn't to sink a ton of money into the closer's spot, and trade those players when they became more expensive. It DEFINITELY SEEMS like a KW move to go after an elite closer like Robertson and do a slight overpay...because it's ignoring that trend which has existed since 2002-2003 with the front office acting out of desperation (just like the Dotel/Linebrink/MacDougal deals). So you've confirmed that Hahn is an idiot for taking a job where he has no power and turning down jobs where he had power. since you've confirmed it, Hahn must go because he is an idiot or like ventura has no real desire to do the job.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) I think it's more of Ken Williams' ideas and Hahn went out and executed those ideas. Too much Williams' M.O. on the last offseason. Entirely Williams' M.O. really. If Hahn was making all of the decisions, we'd see him move in his own direction...this offseason was the same kind of moves Williams' has been making for years. Hahn would need to be a complete idiot to take that job.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) I think it's more of Ken Williams' ideas and Hahn went out and executed those ideas. Too much Williams' M.O. on the last offseason. Entirely Williams' M.O. really. If Hahn was making all of the decisions, we'd see him move in his own direction...this offseason was the same kind of moves Williams' has been making for years. If this is true, you have to fire Hahn as well. Why would you want a person to run your organization who was stupid enough to turn down other GM jobs to take a job where he had no power. If he willingly took a job where KW was calling the shots, I don't want him in my organization.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) OTOH, with the money involved getting bigger and bigger, it's MUCH easier for those players and families to be together on the road for part of spring training (schools have breaks) and for at least half of the time during the summer. Sure, there are 81 road games, but with the money being what it is, even then....it's not an insurmountable obstacle for families to spend time together during summer vacation as well. Look at the situation with Mark Buehrle and his dogs...complicated, but not insurmountable. There's always a solution when millions of dollars are involved. The solutions are still very few. The families don't travel very often as no kids do very well leaving every 3 days and they can't travel with the team. Most of the players do not make the"millions" Don't forget about the February and March of Spring Training where the kids are in school and can't leave and neither can their fathers. don't forget they also started this in the minors as well. Baseball is not a lifestyle that is easy on a family. It is very difficult to make it work. If you value money over everything else and think it can make it work, you're right for some. However for many it doesn't. Just because they make alot of money doesn't make it an easy life. Their actual life is much more difficult than the average person. That is why many people including me got out of it.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 07:38 PM) It is not the same. As you state, we need a paycheck. Most of them will get one regardless of how they perform. If you have a few bad months, you probably won't survive in your job. Many of them since the age of 22 or so have been doing very well financially. So it is a very different lifestyle than the average person has. Then again, when we screw up at work, it hopefully does not get the same publicity as when they screw up. Imagine if you screw up at work tomorrow and your wife and kids get berated by the neighbors in your driveway on Tuesday. This is true. Most of us don't miss all of our kids little league games, don't get to be there on their birthdays. We don't need to live away from our families for 8 months of the year. It's a pretty easy life for them because of the money.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Me and another poster or two have been saying it since the offseason to sell high on him. He is now the definition of one year too late. It would have been throwing the season then. A team cannot expect to content without a solid shortstop. Any idea of trading him was gone when they traded for Shark. They could have traded everyone before that but not after.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 06:46 AM) I didn't think there would ever be a player I liked least watching play for the Sox than Adam Dunn. Well, I was wrong because I can't stand LaRoche. I'm not necessarily complaining about his production, which stinks, but his mannerisms in general. He walks around like he thinks he's some kind of bad ass and then tries to stare down the pitcher after every one of his numerous K's. The guy is a clown and I can't wait for him to be gone. It's better than the slumped defeated look from Dunn.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) Plenty of managers would not put the winning run in scoring position Ventura does it regularly. I think he did it 3 times on Sunday.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) Jesus. Please DFA Gillaspie, Flowers and Ramirez. Not even sure why Bonifacio's on this team. Rodon could have had the win, but huge kudos to Carlos Sanchez for his 2nd game winning RBI. Also, two huge double plays started late on nifty plays by both Carlos and Gordon Beckham at SS. Robertson sure has been shaky the last 12 appearances....almost had his 4th blown save in that span, and 5th overall. But survived thanks to Victor Martinez being PR for by Ausmus late. He isn't going to get many wins throwing 100 pitches in 5 innings. He leaves too many innings to the bullpen. He's learning though.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) well, since you know i am not a professional coach, and a fan like everyone else. in additions, the team on the major side appears to look as they forgot all about the fundamentals, my response is based on those parameters i just stated. btw, do you know for a fact of what they do?? Every player works onthe fundamentals nearly everyday in the minors. At least every team I ever saw that includes white sox minor league teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 3h3 hours ago Carson Fulmer woke up with a fever, @mlananna writes, then pitched Vanderbilt to one win away from a national title: http://bit.ly/1N5EqRk That can be dangerous. A fever makes the body tissues more extensible and pliable, thus makes any tissue more susceptible to injury.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:33 AM) Poor relief pitchers/closers. Almost all of em suck after a couple years. Even the Royals' closer now has been on the DL this year and some are calling for Davis to replace Holland. It's a no win job. You will suck after a couple years of greatness unless your name is Rivera. IMO it's because they try to throw too hard too often. Since they are out there for a short period of time, they throw as hard as they can. It's effective in the short term but adversely effects them in the long term.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 06:43 AM) I always thought one of the knocks on McCarthy (originally) was coming almost completely over the top...that it was going to lead to shoulder problems and force him to adjust his delivery. It also led to his fastball not having much movement, although the 12-6 curveball was nasty. That is the good and the bad of throwing over the top .It creates a great curve ball but it allows the hitter to get a good look at the pitches if they are all thrown from there. Dave Stieb was a pitcher who was effective with throwing the over the top curve but dropped down a little for the fastball and slider. It doesn't necessarily lead to shoulder injuries but that motion does put more stress on the shoulder. Then the further you lower the arm angle the more stress goes to the elbow.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:43 AM) I am guessing in this case, and knowing their draft history, they don't pick Fulmer if they aren't either comfortable with his motion, or if they think they can get him to adjust. Remember the Sox have passed on pitchers in the past for that exact reason. I don't think they really look at it as much as other teams. Look at Sale. His motion scared alot of teams off. Anyway as I said there really isn't much not to like about his other than the effort. Cooper preaches decreasing the effort anyway.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 09:01 PM) Fullmer's delivery is lightning quick. Reminds me of the delivery that Brandon McCarthy had when he first came up. Not necessarily a good thing with the injury history of McCarthy. The only knock on Fullmer is the high effort to the delivery.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Okay but J.R. was opposed to taking advantage of market inefficiencies. There was no penalty to spend a ton before. There was absolutely no excuse to not draft guys that fell and sign them for big $$ to deals to fuse the system with talent. My biggest problem was not doing things that a team like the Red Sox used to do all the time. He never took the draft seriously. He didn't allocate the resources that could have been allocated. I would disagree thathat ththat there was no excuse. He was attempting tl bring other owners in line with bei g fiscally responsible for the greater good of baseball. He had said many times that he was concerned for the viability of mlb if the signing bonuses for players who may never make the mlb continued to rise and there was no cap. Eventually he wonand there is the slot and penalty system thethey hthey have today. It is not a hard cap but at least it somewhat limits the whoever can spend the most philosophy. Now did that hurt the sox in the short term, yes. However, it did help the viability and competitive balance of the game.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 08:18 AM) Lots of the bad drafting is also on Jerry Reinsdorf too though. Kenny likes tools, athletic types. JR didn't like draft spending though. That's how you end up with the Jared Mitchell's and Keenyn Walkers of the world. Jerry would much rather pay guys like Juan Pierre $5 million than put that cash into the draft. That has changed since the slotting system but it shouldn't have taken that for you to draft well. This is not true. KW drafted safe players such as Broadway and McCullough and people on this board comolained and wanted him to draft the high risk but high reward players to try to get a superstar. His draft phiosophy changed a d now people complain about it. The bottom line is that its just bad drafting with the wrong platers regardless of philosophy. Edit: sorry for the double post.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 08:18 AM) Lots of the bad drafting is also on Jerry Reinsdorf too though. Kenny likes tools, athletic types. JR didn't like draft spending though. That's how you end up with the Jared Mitchell's and Keenyn Walkers of the world. Jerry would much rather pay guys like Juan Pierre $5 million than put that cash into the draft. That has changed since the slotting system but it shouldn't have taken that for you to draft well. This is not true. KW drafted safe players such as Broadway and McCullough and people on this board comolained and wanted him to draft the high risk but high reward players to try to get a superstar. His draft phiosophy changed a d now people complain about it. The bottom line is that its just bad drafting with the wrong platers regardless of philosophy.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 12:50 AM) Well this makes me just want to plunk down money to watch this or any team. http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/...ank-beers-games Typical AJ. Don't let him make you think that most ballplayers are like that. There are some but not that many. Starting pitchers on off days, yes. Position players and bullpen, no.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 09:50 PM) How? How exactly do you make things worse? If Angels don't come back we will have worst winning %age in the AL after tonight. How do you make things worse than "worst team in the league"? I guess we could have a squirrel jump onto Sale in the dugout but I don't think the team Pres going would cause that. If you think hahn is struggling to do a good job, and it sounds like you do, it would be even harder if he had more responsibility placed upon him without KW to help. It may not be directly on the field tomorrow but it would show up moving forward.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) would you really say he wasn't loyal or that he didn't listen to anyone and ran the bull as a coach should, without interference from upper management. now i am not disputing his way of coaching or the result of his style of coaching. I would say he wouldn't listen to any advice by upper management or training staff. The coach and management should at least be on the same page on how to run a team. They don't need to completely agree but should have the same philosophy. If not, one needs to go, usually it's the coach. This isn't saying one is right or wrong just that they cannot be that different and co-exist.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) excuse me, but what isn't true, the rebuild stopping or the insiders story. The insiders story. different "insiders" seem to have conflicting "who is at fault KW or RH."

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) you make a good point, the baseball insiders said all this while it happen until spring training. i guess, some of us, are very pessimistic and we saw how it stop. in addition we as fans had to see the yrs of futility coming from the sox org. so as the only point i can say, for me, i was not sold on it being finished. unlike many others including the so called insiders. if they were really the insiders, then they of all people should have known this. Unless it isn't true.