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QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) Lewis-Clark St Col (ID), seriously? MidAmerica Nazarene U (KS) Gannon University (PA) Almost took a job at Gannon. Good PT program and faculty.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:32 PM) Love Carson Fulmer. Not because he's Sonny Gray 2.0. He isn't. Delivery isn't nearly as bad as others think, though, and stuff is monstrous. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/608060863644332032 Delivery isn't really mechanically bad but it is pretty high effort.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:01 PM) Cubs going all the hitters, haha. Opposite of the White Sox, all the pitchers/all the lefties. That is always their prefernce. Hitters aremuch easierto projectin the analytics. So they draft the safer players and spend the big contracts on pitching.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 01:08 PM) It's what you do with the warts drafts that make you a good organization. In other words, luck.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 10:21 PM) If the White Sox come off a season so disappointing they need to fire Ventura (or he steps down), it's likely Sox fans would expect an "immediate impact" manager like a Francona or Maddon in order for them to buy into the idea of competing right away in 2016. At this point, I'm not sure whether solid choices are good enough when they have to hit a home run. It would also seem they would have to go back in the direction of a more demanding/controlling coach who's closer to a micromanager (like a Showalter, Gibson or LaRussa) than someone very loose and relaxed with the players ala Robin. If the team hires the manger based on the type the fans want, they are already so far in trouble it doesn't matter what else they do. They will need to hire the best person for the job in the opinion of the FO.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) I don't think Charlotte has the greatest roster. When we discuss players to be called up to help the White Sox, the options seem limited. Yet Skinner has them playing well with one of the best records in the International League. Maybe there is an internal option should Hahn decide he needs to jumpstart this team. I'm not a fan of mid-season changes in baseball. However, if the Sox decide to change after the season, I agree he would be a good choice. Everyone in baseball likes him as a manager. He is a good communicator and handles players well.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) Quite a few front office people....hard to pinpoint just one. Brett Anderson is a name that nobody trusted this offseason but he would have been a better move since we would have controlled his rights multiple years, not given up any talent and corned the lefty pitching market. Rasmus would have been a better solution than Cabrera....younger, better defender, takes more walks and more pop. Not to mention Kendrys Morales going to the Royals and Victor Martinez staying might have decided the division. Free agency is always a crapshoot...especially for the White Sox. Martinez has player in only 60% of the Tigers games and has an OPS of .578. If you think he is the difference in the season, you must think Tyler flowers is the savior for the Sox season as he has a higher OPS than Martinez.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) I think it's safe to say that Sale is the best athlete in the history of sports. He ain't no athlete, he's a baseball player.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 12:01 PM) Ah, makes sense. Thanks. Still though, I'm a little surprised they let him try to wobble off, and get carried like that, in his state. I can understand not putting him on a board, with what you described. I've never been to that stadium but many MiLB ballparks don't have carts so that really is the best way to get him off the field.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:18 AM) Writing the recap now, but I don't want to write it there, so I'll put this here... Paging PTATC (bat signal, lol)... I am a former EMT. The first thought I have after watching that May/Anderson collision on video is... why in the hell was Jacob May allowed to stand up, and be carried off like that, when he so obviously had a head/neck injury? Our protocol on these things was simple. If we suspected a head or C-Spine injury, it was 1) loose traction, then 2) neck brace or board brace, then 3) back board or KED board, and onto a stretcher to go. None of that was done. Why? He was cleared by the physician on the field. In your case an EMT is not qualified to examine and clear for neuro or fracture type injuries. If the physician wasn't there to clear him they probably would have followed the protocol you described.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 22, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) Pass. Bad mechanics, hard used. I would disagree. Other than a low arm slot the mechanics are high effort but pretty good.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:29 PM) No, it's Callo. With a C. Jerry? The NYC lawyer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2015 -> 07:05 PM) Example #1A of what the slider does to your arm. Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 25m25 minutes ago Strasburg looked like he grimaced after last pitch (his 16th), but not apparent exactly where injury is. William Ladson ‏@washingnats 28m28 minutes ago Something is wrong with #Strasburg. He is now out of the game. Only when you throw it improperly. Pitchers just like to do that to increase the movement

QUOTE (LDF @ May 30, 2015 -> 06:43 PM) in the medical sense, ok. but i am talking about tweak knees, jammed shoulders, twisted ankles. rest it. take a day or 2 to see how it looks. i am not talking about ingrown nails in a finger or toes, a sore gluteal muscles for sliding the wrong way. sports players do not like to be substituted. Doesn't matter. This is where the Sox are better than other teams. The medical staff has been consistent for decades. They have earned the ability to tell the team when a player should or shouldn't go. I want all players to refuse to come out. That's the competitive nature. This is why you need a manager you will listen to the medical staff. Each of those issues you listed need to be treated differently and this group has the experience.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 30, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) aches and pains are 1 thing, but when somebody has problems walking for jogging, you, as the person in charge, should play it safe. esp early in the season. a day or 2 rest and see how it responds. again esp in the early part of the season. btw, no offense but who cares what anyone says in a game thread. i am talking about the sox, the team and the whole org. does this mean i want the manager to play it safe on all players with all kind of aches and pains. no but using common sense is called for. This is not necessarily the case. There are many injuries that truly are day to day. The tendonosis and other tendon irritations can't always be predicted. He injures it, there is no structural tears, so they give it a try. That is normal protocol. It didn't improve/got worse that is when you need to rest it for a bit.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2015 -> 12:05 AM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 6m6 minutes ago Jose Abreu is headed to the hospital for x-rays. Said he initially hurt his finger two weeks ago in Chicago. #WhiteSox Hopefully he's ok, but has to be concerning it's still swollen after two weeks The swelling wouldn't be the uncommon for baseball players as it continually irritated by the vibrations and movement from the bat. The issues starts if the pain hasn't decreased in this period of time. Without knowing the mechanism of injury, it's impossible to soeculate on what it is or how ling it will be. He could have torn one of the cruciate or ring ligaments and need reconstruction syrgery or he could have brusied it and need a little rest.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 29, 2015 -> 12:43 PM) Good post but how much of this "aggression" was KW and JR and how much of it was Hahn? It's too bad we have little clue of how the decisionmaking process works. From the JR statement on Thibs it seems he tries to some "decision by consensus" that rarely, if ever works. I would just broom the entire FO outside of Hahn, let him hire his own people, give him a 3 year window, and see what happens. I don't think it matters. I know most people want to blame a person. They feel better if they can point to a single person for their anger/frustration. It's human nature, especially in this generation, to want to point fingers at a person. I would say "front office" and hold the entire group responsible as it is most likely group decisions.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 29, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) If you want to point a finger at somebody for why we aren't having a good year, the finger should point at Rick Hahn. I wouldn't necessarily endorse firing Hahn, either, but the players just aren't very good. He was aggressive in the offseason but there was too far to go. The team has the talent to compete, but we were always going to have to get lucky. We haven't gotten lucky. Some of the players that are normally not that good are once again not that good. Big shock, Tyler Flowers, Geo Soto, Conor Gillaspie, Emilio Bonifacio, John Danks, Hector Noesi, etc. aren't kicking ass out there. I would re-phrase that to "some of them just aren't having good years." This would be Abreu, LaRoche, Cabrera, Sale, JS., Quentana. These are players with track records and aren't living up to it so far. The aren't very good ones are the ones you listed but if the previously mentioned ones were having "typical years" this team would be well above .500.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) And yet Ozzie was always blamed for his Sunday line-ups. The irony is that he actually utilized his bench extremely well...and it paid off handsomely quite often. Ventura hasn't had the same level of bench talent to utilize, so it's harder to make comparisons. I do wonder if they have warned him about playing Alexei too often...of course, once again, with options like Leury Garcia or Olmedo, you can understand the hesitancy. you did not hear that from me. I fully supported those. It is the correct way to run a team. Agreed on the second part about Alexei.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) The opposite. The White Sox are all good "company men" who don't ever rock the boat...or question the longstanding way of doing things. I'd take a dysfunctional frontt office of ten overachievers/tireless workers who don't always get along with co-workers and push their players to their limits than...well, whatever we have now. Sort of like a country club atmosphere. If the Bulls made the same mistakes the White Sox make on a constant basis...would Thibs passively sit there and let it go? Baseball is a different sport with a different type of intensity required. You can't drive baseball players that way over a 162 game season and expect results. Thibs has proved that you can't do it for a basketball season without the players falling apart or being drained and watching the other teams with more energy beat you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2015 -> 05:31 AM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colum...528-column.html Why doesn't Reinsdorf find the baseball equivalent of Thibs? Reading the last couple of paragraphs, you could exchange Ventura's name with Hoiberg's. It's almost like Jekyll and Hyde. On the baseball side, loyalty and sentimentality reign supreme. Harrelson. Melton. Trying to keep Ozzie and KW both together for far too long. Baines. Cooper. Herm Schneider. Greg Walker Gordon Beckham. Mark Buehrle. Bossard. Nancy Faust. Farmer and DJ. Paul Konerko last year. Brooks Boyer. Hahn as apprentice in waiting. You would think the results on the baseball side would match the five consecutive playoff appearances on the bb side but it's actually the opposite. The White are a loyal and insulted family populated by the likes of Pierce, Skowron and Minoso. The Bulls are a cutthroat business where employees are whisked out the door with a Top Ten all-time winning percentage. Coaches are constantly hired and fired with an eye towards getting to the next level when White Sox fans would be simply elated with one playoff appearance. Has loyalty led to malaise and apathy? Are the White Sox like a 1980's Japanese style "work team" where a guaranteed lifetime employment contract eventually leads to a lack of productivity because there's little or no fear of losing your position? Or Reinsdorf simply can't stand disloyalty.....Ozzie talking to the Marlins while under contract and inseason....or Thibs using Van Gundy to trash the front office publicly? Shouldn't the White Sox be run less as a hobby and more like the Bulls? Because he wants to win a championship and keep his players somewhat healthy? Thibs has not proven anything except that he can win games in the regular season but not in the post season.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ May 28, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) In 2012, the Sox weren't in a position to hire a manager that would take 6 to 14 years to become a good manager. Back when they hired LaRussa, they were an organization that wasn't going anywhere and gave him a shot after he managed a couple of years in the minor leagues. He became a good manager after a few years, and teams that hired him after the Sox got themselves an established manager. The Sox hired Ventura without having any previous managing or even coaching experience. Sure, it's possible he may become a good manager after 6 - 14 years but can the Sox afford to find out? Rather than trying to develop a manager they should have tried to hire a manager that was ready. Possibly. But that wasn't the point. The point was that Ventura is not the manager these HOF managers are. The fact is that at the same point in their respective careers, Ventura has more wins than they did. So if those managers were treated as he wants Ventura treated, they would not be HOF managers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 28, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Do you honestly see Ventura as a "baseball lifer" who will stick at this managing thing for that long? None of those guys made so much in the playing days (well, probably Torre) that they were set for life to the point where they could set their family up for a lifetime without managing during their "second lives" in the game. I have no idea. I have not been in the clubhouse with Ventura to judge these things. The point isn't that he will stick with it. The point is that the HOF managers you listed had worse records than Ventura in the early years. So if you think Ventura is awful and should be out of the game, these HOF managers should have been in the same scenario and wouldn't have had the chance to grow into the managers the became. I'm not saying Ventura is a great or HOF manager. He has a number of players that are not playing to their previous levels. Could this be on Ventura? Sure. Could it be that they are just having bad years? Sure. Players have bad years. Either way the team has underachieved so far and if it continues Ventura will be gone at the end of the year, mostly because the front office really can't do anything else.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Torre, Cox, LaRussa, Ventura Somehow, one of them doesn't quite belong in the same conversation. If Ventura goes on to a 30+ year managerial career and enters the Hall of Fame, I'll eat my hat. Joe Torre was a well below .500 manager for his first 3 jobs and about 14 years in the MLB. Bobby Cox was a well below .500 mangaer for his first 6 years in the MLB. So in your current scenario neither of these managers would have had the opportunity to become the HOF managers they eventually were.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Which brings up the old Rick Sutcliffe line, "They tell you that you have tendonitis when they don't know what's wrong with you." So true.