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QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2015 -> 11:21 AM) I thought he had an MRI that ruled out any structural damage? Didn't see this before but it's a good sign.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) They keep using the word "tendonitis" This really wouldn't cause much edema but is definitely something they would rest so it doesn't become a chronic problem.

QUOTE (Dunt @ May 28, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) Likely a meniscule tear. I've had inflammation and swelling in my knee after a meniscule tear and needed to get arthroscopies. Odds are they would have done an MRI if they even remotely thought it was a meniscus tear. There are many other etiologies for edema in the knee.

QUOTE (gatnom @ May 26, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) The White Sox are spending enough money to win right now. They just don't spend it on the right guys. Also, it honestly sounds like you're mad at bandwagon fans... for acting like bandwagon fans. I don't think I heard a single person, fan or "expert" who didn't think the offseason was filled with good moves for the right guys. For some reason most of these haven't panned out so far. That's baseball. Ventura will need to be fired because you can't fire the whole team. Personally, I think he has done a pretty good job but the results aren't there so something will change.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) On the other hand, it's another May or June game likelier to be a loss...leading to no opportunity for meaningful games in August or September. Whether the Sox lose this game in May, June, August or whenever doesn't matter. He only has so many bullets this year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2015 -> 04:29 PM) Lovely...more Noesi or Carroll starts. Oh, well. They need to get that fastball control and his change-up going. There's no argument about that. Maybe taking a breather and step back for a week will help, but he's such a competitor I'm sure it won't be easy for him to watch from the sidelines. One concern...not having any type of regular routine or structure/defined role might be counter-productive when all is said and done. Pitching too many innings would be more counter-productive.

I think I may be showing age or"old-fashioned" thinking but I've never tied being a fan of a team to how much it wins. I'm a fan of the team because I grew up in a family from around here and we followed baseball and the White Sox. Same with the Bears. I just don't think the term "fan" is tied to winning. If that's the case then it's not my traditional view of a fan. You have a better day when they win and a worse one when they lose. Some people take it too far and have a bad day but that can happen.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) I'm almost there. I don't see any future in rooting for this organization. My Sox badge and decoder ring may have to be taken away. Farm system - what has Buddy Bell and scouting really done to keep their job. It seems some of these youngsters are clueless about baseball on things that high schoolers could do. They can't run the bases. If they can field they can't hit then when they can't field they can't hit either. Trading for prospects is the worst thing they could ever do since when they become a Sox they do the bad things in baseball. Instruction has to be terrible. This organization hasn't been able to develop a catcher. You can't win a division if a Tyler Flowers is your catcher. Hitting - I still believe the AL and NL are two different leagues. Will 2nd time be the charm of taking a NL player and transitioning them to DH. There's not enough inter league play where they can transition to be an immediate success. I've always wondered if the stadium contributes to players losing any discipline of situational hitting. Is this even taught in the minors? This team could probably go through a dozen hitting coaches and the results are the same. So maybe scouting is to blame even with free agents. Ownership - The 'inbred' mentality of keeping it in the family needs to go. I guess that will only change when people in the organization pass away. The north side takes chances on experienced managers. The results are not always great but they think it's a priority. In this century we've had Jerry Manuel, at least Ozzie was groomed into management from another organization. Even when Ventura was hired I thought it was a WTF decision. Who is the next former Sox retread? Fans are not buying it. If they fired Ventura and got Gardenhire I don't know if there would be much difference but at least it would be someone different and spark some interest. They won a WS during the KW era but it seems this team was more exciting during the Schuler era. They had untouchable prospects. Mark B. was a product of the Schuler and his fundamentals on the mound can't be touched by most of the kids today. Before the internet era we had to drive back home because there were no tickets. If we could only have that strike season back. This is one of the most boring teams to watch and it's been that way for a while. Even Stone mentioned that on the SCORE last year. Our stud young players like Sale and Abreu did not get poisoned by the farm system. Maybe they realize that and don't want to ruin Rodon. If he is better off with Coop then shouldn't Coop's philosophy be spread to the minors? I don't know if that is the case. The loyalty thing stops short of the fan base. Why don't they raid successful organizations when it comes to coaching, scouting and philosophy? It's like watching a movie over and over hoping this time the end will be different. Like Dale Sveum and Mike quade?

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 20, 2015 -> 09:19 PM) He can't locate either pitch right now. And it says how badly his changeup location must be that he's not even considering throwing it. I'd legitimately consider demoting him for a start or two and tell him to start throwing strikes. Would allow us a look at Guerra too. It will be difficult with his motion. The problem is that he needs to learn it with mlb hitters as milb hitters will swing at those pitches move so much due to his excellent stuff.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 20, 2015 -> 07:53 PM) Surely 15 BB's in 17.3 IP can't continue for long, can it? Yes

QUOTE (Brian @ May 19, 2015 -> 05:47 AM) MLB Now was throwing out the rumor yesterday that the Cubs will trade either Russell or Castro for pitching. No clue about the validity of that but either one leaving could ruin the chemistry they have going right now. That has always been epstein's mo. Stockpile hitters and trade for proven pitching. Beckett and Schilling cone to mind as pitchers acquired for winning teams.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ May 18, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) Sox do not play by 100 pitch count hard cap. Teams think they have a guy on the ropes but Robin/Coop bring them out there with 110 pitches thrown and its not what opponents are expecting. I personally like it. They shoot for around 120.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 17, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) Redmond fired. Business as usual in Miami. He was with Kane County when I worked there in the mid-90's. It's too bad. He is a real good guy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 15, 2015 -> 07:37 AM) Interesting the Levine article specifically mentioned how much time Ventura was working with Micah on his defense. Now you have "more hands on" (which flies in the face of spending too much time with individual players) and now no more Johnson. Maybe he was Robin's pet project and Ventura can go back to the bigger picture of managing the entire roster and remembering Bonifacio's on the roster? Whose decision was this, ultimately? Robin has more than enough time to think of the big picture and work with a player on his defense. Working with a player is time before games. He has plenty of time at that time, before and after games for the big picture. They sit around in that office for a lot of time throughout the day and night.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 14, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Forget it, he's rolling. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2015 -> 07:14 PM) Well, he was pretty bad (compared to last year, ERA around 4 and no wins/run support) for the first 6 starts this season, so I wouldn't count on that happening. What! I can't count on a jinx working! What kind of baseball fan are you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2015 -> 06:14 PM) Right, but it's also not fair to say the Tigers have "better fans" either, because of the unique circumstances surrounding "super fan/hands on" owners like Illitch, Mark Cuban or George Steinbrenner. And they did make it to the World Series in 2006 (largely due to Verlander and Cabrera, two huge superstars), which was enough to sustain interest (2009 they were in the race up until the final day, similar to the 2008/10/12 seasons for the White Sox) until 2011. Correct. But I thought your point was that to fix the Sox they needed a new ownership that will spend into the negative to win. They did make it to the World Series 14 years after Ilitch became owner.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ May 13, 2015 -> 06:55 PM) KLUBER NO HITTER THRU 6 Hopefully he'll get it, the no hitter jinx takes effect and he'll be bad the rest of the season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 13, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) The other difference for Illitch is that as a single owner, if he's on average close to breaking even every year, the increasing equity in his team by being a championship contender winds up as increased net worth for him as long as he doesn't lose $50 million every year. The equity increase is nice for an ownership group but they can't cash that out as easily without selling the team. Yeah, that was my point in the previous answer to his problem with White Sox ownership. That's when he said that the primary Sox problem is ownership that won't spend into the red to win.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) And that's what it would take, IMO, to truly change the culture. A completely new ownership group with deeper pockets or a stadium located in a different area of the city. Everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship unless they show the ability to put a consistently playoff-contending team on the field. (That means 75% of the time, not every other season...and not completely whiffing on "all in" or close to it years like 2011 and 2015 at the very beginning of the season). I don't think anyone would argue that an owner who doesn't care about losing alot of money to win would help any team win. However, these are few and far between. even ilitch who you set as an exmple had 13 losing seasons in a row before a winning season and has had 14 losing season in 24 years as ownership. The JR group has done better than that just not in the last 4 which are the tigers only 1st place finishes under this ownership. So an owner willing to go into the negative to win isn't really the answer.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 13, 2015 -> 04:13 PM) Old stadium, yes. Now the area surrounding the park is similar, if not better, than USCF. And how many times did Illitch have negative revenues? He's like Cuban....fans perceive he cares more about winning the World Series than his bottom line. That is something his (Reinsdorf's) supporters won't or can't argue. Illitch is an anomaly (a la Steinbrenner), just like the Cubs with their unique situation. They also have a different situation where they own the team and answer to no one. Reinsdorf is a minority owner of the team. He is the Chairman of the Board but that's it. He cannot just spend into negative revenues. It's not his money.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 13, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Haha, fair enough, but I assume those drinks will normally be coming from a bottle in your basement, no? Getting away to Sox games is a way to do it as well, which is why I have weekend season tickets and Bears season tickets. Who am I kidding your right, most of the time it is hiding in the basement.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 13, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) That makes sense if you assume that White Sox fans tend to be older and therefore less likely to want to go out and drink under any circumstances. Instead of "that's where the money is," what I should have said was, "that's where the money is spent." Hey now. Until you are in the middle of raising teenagers, you don't know what "needing a reason to drink" means.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 13, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) They "won" the dvision. Using the strike as an excuse is fine, but it's still and excuse. 17th in the league in attendance isn't very good for a team that had been very successful, and supposedly had the "new stadium" vibe to go along with it. The fans of other teams apparently were able to put the strike behind them. It's an excuse but I think if you looked at all of baseball it was an excuse that year. It was not a "White Sox fan" excuse. I give all fans a pass that year as everyone was angry with baseball.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 13, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) Wasn't there a minor thing called a "strike" in those years? Maybe one that knocked down the attendance average in the final year? I'm positive that was a factor in that year.