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You are starting to grasp the basics of negotiating. Now let's take the next step. It could go this way but it could also change where other pitchers are taken off the market and a team gets desperate and either meets or comes much closer to the original demands than they wanted to. This is why the team trading the player waits. Niw it could backfire and the team offering the best prospects pivots and acquires a different player. Now the the reading has lost leverage and gets a lesser deal. Any of these scenarios are possible. It is not a static process.

Again, that was early on in the negotiations. I wouldn't expect anyone to pay that kind of premium either. That was the starting point, not the end.

Agreed. As much as fans or media think they know about the players or inner working of the teams, they don't. There are too many things going on that aren't public.

No kidding.

That's fine. However you are assuming that the negotiations are over by saying no GM is going to pay this price. This is an unknown. Someone may pay that price. The negotiations aren't over. What the Orioles aren't going to get is a good not great dependable starting pitcher for the next 2 years and at an affordable price. None of your other options will be the same. It's fine not to pay the price but to say no one will pay it is just not correct. I might be but it could also be that 2 teams are in a bidding war and it will be a high price.

Cease is not the only option but he is the best cost controlled option. If you want to settle for clevinger and his price tag or pay nearly as much for a single year of the others that's your perogative but you will need to go through the same process next year and give up more prospects because the Orioles are not signing long term FA just like the Sox.

This goes back to the negotiating discussion. He should start out absurd and then work his way down. Just like the opposing GM should start with a low ball offer and work his way up. The entire goal for Getz is to get as much as possible and the entire goal for the opposing GM is to give up as little as possible. I don't know why most of the Baltimore fans think the beginning or middle of negotiations is a static offer.

Most QBs at the NFL level can win with the right pieces around. The key is finding one that can win without them because injuries and salary cap casualties happen.

Very much so. Which is a useful player but not a top tier piece in a trade for a dependable starting pitcher.

Yeah, I think I would take quality over quantity even though all prospects are a crapshoot. Even looking at the Sale trade, the 2 "quality" prospects at least had some MLB use.

The difference is so small, it isn't worth discussing so we'll only spend 100 pages talking about it. ?

Nice!

No substance but much entertainment.

Since the post was 24 minutes ago, things change. Negotiating changes.

Yes, keep those other cost controlled pitchers off the market.

Could yes. Likely no. They got lucky that the team they traded with was the worst this year. Could it happen again, yes. But the odds are against it as Carolina is probably there again.

This makes it sound like Baltimore is a little desperate for this year.

Yes he does. That just shows you the market and what teams are willing to do. Granted not many other could afford that deal.

Even they have red flags. There is no guarantee that he reaches his previous level of performance after his second UCL reconstruction. But the Dodgers were willing to take that chance.

Unfortunately, all an agent needs is one team willing to spend and the price keeps going up. I agree that paying these contracts for pitchers just isn't worth it in the long run.

No, as I said he is trying to get the best offer. If they met what he was asking for, he would come back and say "the other team just upped their offer can you add another piece." He runs the risk of the other teams acquiring someone else but right now there is no reason to accept an offer. Even one he thinks is good.

Sorry one more. It's still a negotiation. The price that he is asking is still high. The price teams are offering are still low. That's what negotiations are. There isn't a single price to be met. It's searching for the best offer. As you stated earlier he is trying to get this right.

It's more about me being bored with no faculty or students around. I really should get back to something productive. I'll stop.

Possibly. However the most common reason for a concussion is not wearing an adequate mouth guard in athletics. But you still haven't answred the question of why you have such a set value on Cease and what GMs are willing to give up for him. You've stated in many posts what he is worth and what teams will or will not give up for him.

Fair enough. But how do you know Cease so well that you know his value compared to prospects that have never played in the MLB and other pitchers that might be available. I wish I had your player evaluation capability.