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Nice play by Wells, although that's a dangerous effort because if it gets by him it's 2-0 and a little league home run.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 12:01 PM) What is a peripheral ERA? The projected ERA based on walks, strike-outs, etc? The way they do peripheral ERA is they take your eqERA, EqH9, EqBB9, EqSO9, and EqHR9, which are your projected HR's allowed/9, projected K's/9, projected BB's/9, projected hits/9, and then projected ERA based on all those other stats. The k and bb per 9 numbers are just taken directly out of the pitchers real stats since there is no ballpark affect for those 2 things, but they take into account the ballparks you pitched in and use a formula to devise what your home run, hits, and thus era numbers would be had you pitched in a exactly neutral setting every time you threw a pitch to the plate. (hence the Eq abbreviation) (1.000 is neutral, .999 or less is pitcher friendly, 1.001 or more is hitter friendly) So to be fair, our pitchers will always seem to be "a bit lucky" since they pitch half their games in a ballpark so friendly to hitters, but those peripheral to real ERA splits for our pen in 2005 were nothing like I have ever seen, and nothing like guys who look at this stuff for their job have even ever seen. Oh and a random correction, we are only 0 for our last 47 against bullpens.

So A.J. cost us a run, nice job asshole. Rob crushed that ball though.

Nice baserunning A.J.

Joe takes an 86 MPH pitch belt high over the heart of the plate. What a joke, then he has the audacity to pretend he thought it was high. That's a great pitch to hit, Joe.

QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 12:28 PM) hmm thanks for helpin me. im going on an alaskan cruise this summer, and i need a passport b/c alaska i guess is like on canada. yea pretty dumb, but by getting a passport, now next year i can see a the sox play in toronto. did u need a passport? I didn't need one, but I went to Toronto 3 years ago. I think you have to have one now with the new laws.

QUOTE(SnB @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 12:28 PM) i've been there, it sucked. The roof was closed, it was dark and quiet the entire game. It felt like you were walking into an office building when you entered the park, and the food was god awful. The city was cool though. I went for one dome closed game, but it was a night start so I didn't notice, and the other game I went to was on a real nice afternoon and it was open. That and they were playing the Yanks so there were decent crowds of about 30K each game, so I am biased because I probably chose a good time to go.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 12:26 PM) No, I loved it. Tickets weren't that bad....you have to remember the whole currency issue. I was there for the rain delay game a few years back. Everyone should experience a game from the hotel room. HA I remember that. The roof wasn't working, and they had no tarp and were trying to find anything to cover up the dirt part of the field. That was great, back before they had fieldturf.

QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 12:25 PM) really, or is that sarcasm? and arent the tickets really expensive? No it's a really nice ballpark. It doesn't look too great on TV but it's a great place when your actually there. And yeah, the tickets are expensive....in Canadian money. But after the translation to Uncle Sam money, they aren't bad at all.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 12:24 PM) Even though our 3-4-5 blows, I figured I needed to point out that Gooch has been f***in solid as hell the last couple of games Owens and Gooch have worked together great. Problem is, when Gooch only "gets the job done" and thus Owens is at 3rd with only 1 out, our 3-4-5 pile of crap can't get him in. Nice start Danks.

QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 12:23 PM) this place they play in shouldnt even have baseball played in it. what a dump. that or it just seems like a dump. has anyone ever been to the rogers centre? Yes I've been there and it's definitely not a dump, at all.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 10:38 PM) Just based on memory, and without looking at BAPIP, it sure seemed like Hermanson was a lot luckier with regards to line drives hit right at people. I don't know what was in Politte's right arm in 2005, but he had an amazing slider and a great two-seam fastball. But yeah... that year was really something to behold. Politte had a season so fortunate numerically in 2005 that the vast majority of numerical historians have agreed that his season was THE luckiest season out of a bullpen since extensive statistical analysis started about a quarter century ago. Cliff had a .208 BABIP in 2005 (the average BABIP is .290), and when you keep in mind it takes luck for 95 percent of pitchers to attain a .208 batting average against, that is even better perspective. He also had a periphial ERA of 3.90 in 2005, very similar to his pera of 4.01 in 2004, yet his ERA dropped from 4.39 to 2.01 in that 2 year spean. Moving on to Hermanson and Cotts, it's a pretty similar story. Hermanson had a BABIP of .247 and periphial era of 3.86, but an actual ERA of 2.04. Cotts had a BABIP of .242 and pera of 3.26, but a true ERA of 1.94. And another factor of good forture for those 2 were Hermanson gave up only 4 HR in 57 IP and Cotts 1 HR in 60 IP, and both pitchers acquired as many groundouts as flyouts (Cotts gave up 13 HR in 2004 and 12 in 2006 in similar innings pitched for example, and Hermanson gave up 15 in San Francisco in a sample size that says he'd have give up only 8 in 2005 had he pitched the same amount of innings). Now I'm sure a lot of people here will excuse all of that as over analying stats. But the stats do not lie here, yeah they were all REALLY good in 2005 but they were also REALLY lucky and there is a reason none of the 3 ever have or ever will have seasons anything like 2005, and they happened to do it at the same time luckily for us. Kinda a side note is a guy like Bobby Jenks, who managed to put up very good years in 2005 and 2006 despite BABIP's of .316 and .347. To have a .347 BABIP in a 41 save year like Bobby did last year is a sign of true staying power among a relief pitcher, because the numbers say his luck will actually get better.

Cody Scarpetta, rhp Jake Smolinski, 3b Seth Blair, rhp Casey Crosby, lhp Those are the top 4 guys. Some others will get drafted, but probably pass and go to school. Those 4 are probably the most realistic to get picked high enough to skip school.

Tampa is going to want Gio, Danks, and Fields for Crawford. They are holding everybody ranson for that guy.

I liked the idea of trading Dye, but we couldn't REALLY do it because of the pathetic OF we'd have sent out there if we did. And that goes back to the lack of OF's we have ready to do anything, and *gasp* that goes back to the GM too. Who knew?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:52 PM) So you foresaw MacDougal -- a career 3.87 ERA pitcher -- having an ERA over sixseven with nearly a walk per inning? You really do know your s***. You definitely need to be working for the Sox. I can't wait to see Chris Getz starting at second in 2008! Woo-hoo! I saw a pretty harsh regresion to the means after last years career year he had, just as the same could have been said for Crede and Dye. And all 3 are happening, albeit they have fallen off more than I thought. And Getz would be in triple a getting ready if he hadn't got hurt, so I apologize for that.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:46 PM) My question is, how could this year have been avoided? What move could Kenny have made that would have the Sox sitting right up there with Cleveland and Detroit? I know as of right now, it's easy to say he should have sold high on Crede this winter, but were you saying it then (in the winter)? And were you clammoring for Josh Fields to stick at third this winter, the Josh Fields who was coming off of a year in which he struck out in about 30% of his at-bats at Charlotte, more than Brian N. Anderson? I hate to say it, but sometimes you have to chalk it up to "s*** happens (or happening)". Cleveland and Detroit are just better than us. Nothing wrong with that... At this point, Kenny just needs to avoid making matters worse and trading any of the future for a short-term fix. Actually yes I was saying sell high this winter, as were a lot of others. As for Detroit and Cleveland being better, that goes back to how they got better, they draft really well, and we don't. That is on the guy that runs the organization, Mr. Williams (although Wilder should have been canned a few years ago now). The only thing I can say about avoiding this year is, if you sell high with Crede and get what you should have for Garcia, then maybe you'd have some more arms for the pen and/or outfield help.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:33 PM) I wanna say that deal was done and the Angels ownership nixed it. You would be correct. We wanted to get the grinder since we could then sign Matt Clement because he is better than Garland. QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:50 PM) Great post. There is nothing Ozzie can do. If the White Sox organization wants to fire the only manager in about 9 decades to lead a Chicago baseball team to a world title, go ahead and be the laughingstock of baseball. Talent plus chemistry plus some luck in one run games equals success. The Sox do not have the talent to compete. My gawd. Our outfield is a total joke. Our bullpen may be the worst in baseball except for Jenks. And our sluggers are having the opposite of what would be called career years. Great post. It is mostly on Kenny. I wouldn't fire him either, though, personally, I'd just try to regroup and hope we catch onto something in the future. Go ahead and fire Ozzie if it makes you feel better. It will not matter just as Piniella is not mattering for the Flubs. Well Ozzie's days are running out either way. Either KW will fire him to cover his own ass, or the new GM will get a manager he likes. This is still on Kenny though, when your team misses the playoffs by only a few games like last year, you can look at the manager....but when you just plain suck ass, it's the bad players that the GM brought in causing it.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:34 PM) Dye is 31, which isn't very "old" at all, and is coming off of an MVP-caliber season. But I'm sure that his age-induced decline in skills occurred in seven months. Oh, and he was WS MVP, but Kenny still made a bad decision by bringing him here, right? Sounds like you need to do some research. If last year was a "fluke", what was August-October of '05? LOL, one guy? What the F are you talking about? There's ONE starter on the roster that's hitting .250 right now... and he's also the only one with an OBP of .330 or higher (and, ironically, he's even older than Dye!). But he missed a bunch of games with an injury and that's all Kenny's fault as well, huh? And I'm sure that Kenny could've predicted MacDougal's ERA going from 1.55 to 6.75, so he's a moron for keeping him on the roster as well, right? And that Kenny sure was an idiot for trading Cotts (who couldn't even make it in the freaking Cubs bullpen) for Aardsma, right? I'm sure that Cotts would be kicking some serious ass if he were on the South Side right now. Stupid Kenny! Your posts have become even more irrational over the past year, which is quite an accomplishment. I thought that college was supposed to have the opposite effect. Cotts for Aardsma was pointless, if you want to argue otherwise, that's your problem. Last year for Crede at the plate was a fluke, if you want to argue otherwise, again that's your problem. Same with Dye and his career year last year. I guess Crede was awesome though in August and September of 2005 at the plate, as you said though right? He entered August with a .256 average with 47 RBI (12 a month) and finished it at .252 with 62 RBI, or in other words, he actually declined a bit those 2 months to finish 2005 with a gaudy .252/.303/.454/.756. At least he got hot in the playoffs though, not like anybody else on our team did that 11-1 spurt. Also, my apologies, I guess i'm the only one that could see that MacDougal has a long track record of walking a ton of batters and getting hurt. Whose fault is it this team sucks though? Who put together this atrocious cast of characters? Who has led us to soon to be 6 October vacations in 7 years with his personnel? It's the players fault though right? If only I didn't go to college, I'd see that.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:31 PM) Where did I say get rid of all these players? How about a couple? How has Walker ruined them? Did he teach Erstad to lift and pull - because I didn't notice him doing that. Will he teach Owens that? Oh - wait just the ones doing terribly bad right? Walker is really teaching our players to lift and pull? He is teaching them bad mechanics? Do you really believe what you are saying? I don't watch the games? I don't drink alcohol. The stereotypical Cub fan blames the coaches and management because it is the easiest thing to do. It is the easiest thing to blame the coach and management for everything wrong and go out and get new ones. It then makes it seem like there was a change in atmosphere to the dumb fans of the team. That would be you. I don't drink either, sorry. I just want you to come up with some sort of idea to make things better. Will it happen? No. Will we get better? No. Will your boy Greg Walker even have a job after this year? I highly doubt it, even though what we think doesn't matter. The whole point of message boards are discussion about something you care about. When that something sucks, you come up with thoughts and discussion about it. Things don't go from bad to good without change, and if you had your way, we'd never change anything, except the players. Give Walker a lifetime deal, it's not his fault the players don't perform. QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:33 PM) Really? You think they are teaching veteran players like Konerko, Dye, Thome, and Erstad? You honestly believe this? What are the coaches teaching these players? Please tell me this. PLEASE! Sorry, this time "I asked the question first". I have let you dig your own hole of looking stupid without you answering any questions, now I'll wait for you to actually answer and laugh at what you say.

What was Blair ranked? Just curious and thanks for the info.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) I agree... Looks like in 05 everything fell right in place for KW. I hate to say it to... but no doubt, that was a special team. If KW had it his way, Kendell would be our catcher, Ekstein would be our SS, and Russ Ortiz would be our "ace." And we'd have had Erstad for years as Garland lit it up in Anaheim.

Hahahaha. Sorry no link yet, just heard it on the radio.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:25 PM) Really? I thought more Cub fans were like you. When something isn't working FIRE THE COACHES!!!!!! Those are the stereotypical Cub fans I know. Plus the stereotypical Cub fans are the ones that think they are part of the team. You're not - you're a fan. It is them/they - not us/we - unless you actually play for them and are a fan at the same time - which I am sure you are not. LOL. Cubs fans are too busy not watching the game to care about the coaches or players. Stereotype Cub fans ignore everything of relevance and make bland statements with no point to them and talk about how they aren't players and shouldn't care about anything but the beer. That is you, not me. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) Maybe they can let us in the park for free then. Because if we cant question it, then dont charge for it. It would make th renewal calls the following year a bit cheaper. Great idea!! QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) Major coaches do other things - or do you think they really teach? Just asking - because maybe you believe they do teach. I am not sure - do you? What do YOU think they do? Why do they have a job if they don't teach, that's the whole point of coaching isn't it? Are they there to be the players friends? QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) First move by me would be fire myself and hire Rick Hann as the GM. At long last, a good idea in this thread.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 04:23 PM) They right. We are not playing. They are. It is not our offense. It is their offense. It is our favorite team, but we do not play for it. Maybe coaches are there to do more than just teach. This is not high school, college, or minor league ball here. What are major league hitting coaches teaching them? Why have coaches? These are major league players, not high school, college, or minor league ball. You don't teach players in the major leagues, they should know.