chitownsportsfan

We'll see who's in charge if they win 70 games this year, that's for sure. If you look at the Bulls and how JR runs them -- you can't help but wonder if the same circus has infected the Sox' decision making. I'm curious, for those of you that also carefully follow the Bulls -- how would you describe the general sense of "order" within that FO? I'd be shocked if anyone described it as "ideal". In fact, it was recently reveilved during Thibs' hiring that Paxson and Gar wouldn't even speak to each other in the meeting and in fact seemed to be completely at odds. This is also the same Paxson that decided to punch VDN. We'll see what comes about if they fail to meet expectations and someone gets the axe. Everyone will be in CYA mode.

I am honestly puzzled as to why Hahn would stick around if this is the arrangement. It really seemed he was the "hot candidate" back in 2012 and could have had a GM job at a handful of places not named Chicago and not with KW hanging over his head like an overzealous parent. Maybe he's making bank.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Glad I'm not the only one. Yea it's awful.

KW really needs to go away IMO, and (obviously based on my avatar) I used to be a pretty big fan but this: isn't a good look. The Sox are dead last in baserunning and his hand picked coach is at the head of it all. Not good. Probably should have just stuck with whatever the hell they were doing previously.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) At this point you just need to wait it out. The offense will click at some point, but this is the problem when you add multiple guys to a lineup in a season. I think mid July you look at the team and where they are and see what marketable assets you have that won't be contributing in two seasons and start looking to move them. I do think this team is close to going on a run, they have all the right parts just have not been able to get them all working together at the same time. As bad as they've played at times the 2nd wild card means that by the deadline you're still going to have 2/3 of hte teams in the league thinking they can make the playoffs. I agree, wait it out and if the team is really bad (say 10 under) or half way good (say 5 over) then you make a move. If they are +-3 of .500 just stand pat. Those would be my general rules but I can see scenarios where they'd want to consider other strategies.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Which is why it took us years to rebuild our Latin American presence. indeed, what a disaster. Set the Sox back at least a decade.

Yea Semien has come down to earth hard. Down to a 118 wRC+ and 1.0 fWAR on the year. He's lost like .7fWAR in the past two weeks. I'm still not convinced he's a MLB infielder, let alone a SS.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) There is way too much tin foil in that post for me. Unless they could connect back to the higher ups in the organization, there is no point in giving them a penalty. Do teams get an additional penalty when someone tests positive for steroids? No. The penalty of suspension is enough. Same thing here. The real damage wasn't even through any official sanction but all the whispers from the buscones about the unscrupulous Sox.

Until I see a Sox position player, home grown, put up more than 2 fWAR in a season, I don't care how highly the farm system is ranked. Produce wins at the MLB level, that is the point of the farm system -- not winning prospect rankings. And the premise of this thread -- a Dayton Moore book -- is laughable. Moore is a bottom 1/3 GM, that his Royals club took advantage of the new playoff rules to squeak into a WS says little if anything about his prowess in evaluating "the will to win". I think it's more "suck for almost a decade, reap the top 5 picks, and eventually enough will come through". I agree with Dick here, quoting Moore as an authority on team building is absurd.

lol, here come the "Danks is turning a corner!" folks. It's like the sun coming up. We'll see if he can continue a 100% strand rate the next time he gives up 10 hits. Come on folks, he is what his last 500 post injury innings say he is -- a .5 WAR starter.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 31, 2015 -> 03:39 PM) Also, I frankly like the "I don't know what I'm talking about STeve, so why don't you explain this a bit more" schtick. I liked when he challenged STone on the Batting Average, it was an interesting exchange. I have started counting the number of times Hawk talks over Stone during the game. It's usually at least once per inning. Stone is too nice of a guy to stop him. Hawk needs to go, ASAP.

QUOTE (kev211 @ May 31, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Chuck and stone are very enjoyable to listen to. Chuck is a great pro. I'm liking him more and more . Swirsky is in his 50's but compared to Hawk he's a spring chicken. Nice to see some youthful energy in the booth.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 30, 2015 -> 06:04 PM) +1 The list of grievances against Robin is greater then the number of runs this team scores in a week. Bad Baserunning over his tenure is just one of many. Playing LaRoche against so many LHP is another

wow.

Had a really long ass day at work, was f***ing 82 and humid in Seattle today and my shop was hot as balls (not used to heat anymore at all living here) and come home to this s***. At least I got about 8 good beers and some company later on. Sox aren't doing it for me. Have a good one guys, maybe this ship will turn around, probably f***ing not.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2015 -> 10:43 PM) I'm with ya, give me a min. Let's go tandem. I'm ready

time to slam a beer.

PLAY LAROCHE AT 1B. God damn just accept the f***ing DH penalty with Jose. He's not going to play 150+ games as an everyday 1B anyways in a few years.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 29, 2015 -> 09:19 PM) He took a lot of walks in the minors, why didn't that translate to the majors? Probably because MLB pitchers can challenge him with a fastball and blow it by him. As mentioned, he's a total guess hitter as well so not going to take many walks when you can't recognize a breaking ball.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 29, 2015 -> 07:30 PM) 5th*** haha, f***, for some reason I mentally inserted La Roche into the 5th spot. Even better.

Ramirez batting 6th, a traditional RBI spot, LMAO. Pathetic. This is a boring, boring team. Thank goodness Rodon is up and adding some spice.

So, whatsup with Avi? Seems this was handled poorly.

If the Sox don't start winning more games, Sale is going to be the first guy to ask out IMO. I would honestly consider trading him to the Red Sox at the deadline this year. Hahn could get likely a king's ransom from them if they are a couple back in July. Start with Mookie Betts and go from there.

Many fans feel the positional adjustments for WAR are too extreme, here's some new data suggesting that yes, that is true: http://www.hardballtimes.com/re-examining-...nsive-spectrum/

That is a Orwellian double speak SouthSider2k. Thibs was the head of his department including on how minutes were distributed. Then he wasn't, once GarPax got pissed and hired Jen. So, you're the boss, until you're not. There's no chain of command, well there is, but it's a "circle" at the top with JR, Hahn and KW. He runs the Bulls the same way. He needs to stop meddling.