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Link What a great job by Hahn locking these guys up. Sox have quite a foundation to build on. Kudos to the org for turning this around and not doing it the Astros/Cubs way.

convert him back to catcher!

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 06:33 PM) The last season of Ozzie Guillen left a bad taste in my mouth for the entire White Sox organization which I still haven't totally gotten over. The man basically quit on the team during a pennant race and began flirting with the Marlins with a wink and a nod from JR. Also during his final few seasons it seemed as if he would make baseball decisions more to spite KW than for the good of the team's on field performance. Ozzie is full of himself and has always been about Ozzie. He did a great job managing the Sox his first two or three seasons but he did more bad than good after that. I would cringe if JR lets him get away with all the stuff he pulled and lets him back into the organization again. No kidding, I don't think he's grown up at all or is a changed man he's just desperate for work and kissing ass to try and get some. Screw Ozzie, he did some good for the org and wiped it all out when he quit on the team and threw everyone under the bus on the way out.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 03:47 PM) Jeez Jose, you make more money than him, show some heart! I was lucky enough to get Jose to sign in spring training, gonna hold onto that ball.

His BABIP has certainly been lucky, but his swing has really changed around, and if you want to regress one way, you have to do it another way: His hr/fb is 5.3%, coming into this year, it was almost double that. It could easily be that Conor has changed his approach, see this article (also has good quotes from Hahn about team building): http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/sunday-note...-thielbar-more/ Now, personally, after reading that and looking at his stats, there is no doubt that Conor has decided to go with a more level swing plane this season. And, before I get ahead of myself, I just did his xBABIP: .303. I don't know, I've done a lot of research on Conor because he's one of my favorite player, it seems like he's been under-rated his entire career based on stats and scouting. I've seen a swing analyis of his and the guru basically said he has an easy, repeatable swing that isn't going to generate a lot of power but is also going to hit for decent average. The knock on him is defense, and I get it, but if you only use him against RHP (not that Robin would know how a strict platoon works) then you have a very useful player. And he's still really cheap. "Pot odds" on him, imo, say to play it out, if he's still an enigma when his arb hits, then swing a deal for need.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 08:08 PM) Cromulent? Word from the simpsons, it means "good enough" or "fair". http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Made-up_words

Um no, you don't trade Conor unless you're bowled over by an offer. I don't care what his BABIP is the guy mashes RHP and plays a cromulent 3B, those guys don't exactly grow on trees. Plus, it looks like Davidson might be the perfect right handed side of a 3B platoon. This is a deal that might make sense to make this time next year. If Davidson is all that, and Conor continues to hit and increases his value, then you can trade Conor. No rush, not when he's still pre-arb.

So when is his debut at Winston Salem?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 10:57 PM) Why don't you come up with some original material. No s***. Robin is the last manager I want on a playoff Sox team.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 08:31 PM) Tyler is actually hitting worse this year than last (58 wRC+ versus 59). Given the luckiness of the April he had, that is actually quite incredible. He's right about to have a triple slash all in the 2s too - .217/.274/.301. He's also officially at 0.0 fWAR. Can't remember who it was that I bet that De Aza would hit at least 50 points better than Flowers from April 21st until the end of the season but since then De Aza is .256 (53 for 207) and Flowers is .169 (33 for 195). I've posted this before, his BABIP is still .348! Can you f***ing imagine how awful he'd if he had his career BABIP line of 290 coming into this year? Flowers is literally one of the worst hitters I have ever seen as a regular. I would have more confidence with 40 year old Omar Visquel coming through than Flowers right now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 08:04 PM) Except in that same fantasy, the White Sox bullpen still probably fail to hold the lead against Pedroia/Ortiz/Napoli in the bottom of the 9th. Just because...well, it's the 2014 Sox bullpen. Konerko was 2/6 against Uehara, so that's defensible, since the were 4/33 (current White Sox hitters) against Uehara all-time. But letting Flowers and Garcia both bat was just weird. You know when you accidentally turn up the knob on your toaster but don't realize it and you walk way only to come back to a stank ass kitchen and a shriveled black fetus inside your toaster that used to be a fine piece of delicious rye bread? PK, in 2014, is that toast. 2/6 shouldn't even factor into it.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 05:56 PM) Robin for Manager of the Year for pinch hitting with Gillaspie and making him hit that home run. Stop trolling, everyone with an intellect higher than middle school knows that you seperate process from result. You can get a bad process with a good result and vice versa. The point of having a good manager is that he has a good process and stick to it. Robin's approach is to throw s*** at the wall and see what sticks. He consinstantly lowers the margin for error the Sox have to win. Not PH for Kong was a bad process that led to an OK result. Who know however, he PH with Dunn, Dunn walks, Conor homers, Sox win? See how the fantasy thing works? Point is you make a good process you live with the results. Robin doesn't make a good process.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 06:55 PM) We know, you say it daily. I call it like I see it. I stuck to my guns that last night's decision to pull sale was the right one. I don't hate robin to hate, I hate him because he does dumb f***ing s*** like lat PK bat for himself in the bottom of the 9th in a 2 run game against a tough RHP.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 06:55 PM) Is Ventura trying to send a message to Hahn that his options at the bottom of the line-up SUCK? Garcia and Flowers don't belong on a major league roster. Sierra's MEHH for a fourth OF, but you can live with him. He should probably be man enough to a) resign or b) be big boy about it and arrange a meeting with his boss rather than this passive aggressive bulls***. I'm sorry, Terry Bevington is the last Sox manager I can remember that was this bad.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 06:54 PM) Should have been De Aza then you put Conor at 3B and De Aza in LF and Viciedo in RF... But Robin doesn't think that much PK has an OPS of 465 against RHP, why in the f*** did he bat for himself? I don't care who the f*** you PH for him, you f***ing PH for him.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 06:50 PM) Looked pretty smart right there. LOL, he would have looked smarter if Dunn walked in front of him and we had the lead. It's not about outcomes all the time, it's about the process. Robin's process is f***ing awful.

I've seen enough of Robin Ventura. He seemingly makes at least one of these WTF decisions every single game. edit: I don't care if Dunn PH later, PK should NEVER face a tough RHP, NEVER.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 06:48 PM) Is Dunn hurt? Excuse me, but wouldn't that be EXACTLY the time we need a 2 run homer? Gillaspie for Sierra. Guessing Dunn will hit for Flowers. Or Garcia. Does anyone have the splits for Konerko and Dunn against Uehara? ANYONE BUT PK HERE.

Is Robin asleep at the wheel again, Dunn is on the bench retard.

Flowers will exit this game with an OPS below .575. At a certain point, you have to pull the trigger on him, it sends the wrong message is a player that is playing that poorly does not get replaced, I don't care if it's a "contending" year or not. Really what do they have to lose, bench Tyler and roll with Nieto for a month. If Sale likes Tyler let him catch Sale, fine.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) The obvious counterpoint from my side would be "how exactly is that surprising with how hard the white sox tried to turn him into a reliever"? And my appeal to Don Cooper authority counter-point would be: Given how hard the Sox tried to turn him into a reliever (and given his struggles in LA) seems they knew what they were doing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 02:45 PM) I was much more angry with how Hector was used while he was here than him being traded in the end. Yea but doesn't it sorta prove the point about his handling with the Sox? He has starter stuff, but a reliever's mindset.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 02:46 PM) Remember when he started on Opening Day? Not too long ago he was our ace, extended for 13 million a season for five years, and considered one of the best lefties (I don't remember that but Michael Kay says it all the time when ChiSox play NYY) I just saw him as the 6th top trade chip for this year's deadline yesterday too somewhere The need is there and Hahn can take major advantage of it I remember that time well, it was before he tore he shoulder capsule.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) at which point will the sox get penalized for overspending If a club exceeds its SBP in a given Rule 4 Draft, a tax will be assessed and future Rule 4 Draft picks could be forfeited, depending on how much the club exceeded its SBP. (The club’s 1st Round draft pick in the next Rule 4 Draft is forfeited if the club exceeds its SBP by 5-10%, its 1st & 2nd round draft picks in the next Rule 4 Draft are forfeited if the club exceeds its SBP by 10-15%, and the club’s 1st Round picks in the next two Rule 4 Drafts are forfeited if the club exceeds its SBP by more than 15%). So basically they can go over by 4.999999% and not get punished, but anything after that and not happening. No club is going to forfeit a 1st round pick, unless there is a compelling reason.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 11:18 AM) I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a stroke of f***ing genius, but it was a good move. Funny how after almost any loss this thread comes to the forefront. Funny how much hang wringing was done over trading Hector and Addison, both have been awful and proves the Sox almost never make the wrong call on pitchers.