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It's funny I heard a report out of spring training for the Mariners here that said they were working with him on keeping his mitt still and receiving the ball. Good luck. If it was easy to fix, he would have fixed it years ago. I like Narvaez, his bat plays, but his receiving problems make him ideally suited to a backup role twice a week with veteran pitchers.

In case anybody wants to feel extra worse: @JeffPassan For some context on how incredible the response in Philadelphia has been to the Bryce Harper signing: In the first 24 hours after the launch of his jersey, according to @Fanatics, Harper's No. 3 sold more than LeBron James' Lakers jersey did the first day. Coulda been us with Manny but nope penny smart pound foolish ownership.

other than about 20 points of wRC+ you're spot on!

So did Tony Snell. And countless others. Flashes don't mean much when you're literally the 2nd worst player in the NBA and grouped with other horrific players like Stauskas.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/13 Hey, at least he's not Kevin Knox! Another "high upside" rookie having one of the worst seasons of all time. Yikes.

You seem like a badly wounded Thibs and Butler fan.

Seattle and the White Sox are the most similar franchises in MLB. They are two sides of the same coin.

GarPax have an actual org strength: drafting. What can KenHahn hang their hat on? Used to be keeping guys healthy, in particular pitchers. Not so much anymore. I'm a huge fan of the Bulls as well as the Sox and as much as I've b****ed and moaned and argued that GarPax should have been fired last offseason it's clear that right now GarPax are better at their jobs than KenHahn. GarPax have done a good job correcting their mistakes and being proactive lately. Firing Hoiberg mid-season (a bold move) and then trading for Otto by dumping a solid draft pick before he got expensive (Bobby) and a bad FA mistake (Jabari) was a great course correction and an admission of mistakes. Right now the Bulls look like one of 3-4 young teams (Atlanta, Chicago, Sacramento, Mavs) that are young and exciting and have room for growth. Only the Mavs out of that group have a guy that looks like a superstar (Luka) but you could see Lauri or Lavine taking that next step and getting there. You gotta draft well and they do that for the most part. Bulls have: Lauri (21) Lavine (23) Porter (25) WCJR (19) Lotto pick (likely top 5) That is a great collection of young talent and assets. They'll need some luck with growth but they've put themselves in position to become a 50 win club with another good offseason and then from there it just depends on if one of those guys can turn into a top 10 superstar.

Yea, rehab procedures change all the time. My surgeon, who was world class, who did both my patella rupture repairs (I had a dual rupture 4 years ago that I have come back from incredibly well) advocated an out-dated rehab procedure that thank god I didn't follow. I researched the cutting edge stuff online, from all sources, including youtube diaries, university level sports medicine journals, online forums etc. I hardly pretend to know how to repair a ruptured patella but I do know that at 2 weeks followup visit I was doing things my surgeon was amazed at, like walking into his office without a walker, only using my braces. I pushed it. I was walking as much as possible even though I was tired all the time, 2-3 miles every day even tho most rehab from the 90s and early aughts advocated BED REST for a month. I was running on the treadmill at 4 months and completed a 2000 ft hike (up and down, down is the hard part) less 6 months after surgery. Medicine procedures change all the time. It's hardly an outlandish position to suggest that given the outcome here -- TJ surgery, perhaps in cases where imaging and diagnostics reveal small tears it's best to just completely replace the ligament even if there is a small, non zero chance of a catastrophic complication arising from the surgery. Surgeons are smart people and they are well aware of "fat tail" outcomes from surgeries, unforeseen consequences and worst case scenarios. They are trained to avoid these surgeries when possible. Given the context of professional baseball and TJ, perhaps they should re-evaluate their procedures to fully inform their clients of the risks, but to also inform them of the possible upside as well, given how well the procedure is now done and how solid the expected outcomes are. Christ some of you guys argue on here like it's an academic setting or some shit. Good lord.

Well that was one of my original speculations, that Dunning didn't follow the rehab and under-reported his symptoms. And I'd argue that patient compliance and a realistic expectation of compliance for a young athlete might be a reason to get TJ rather than rely on compliance with a rehab and throwing program requiring mechanical adjustments.

I'd argue those surgeons, as they are trained, were overly cautious. In pro MLB and with pitcher elbows, aggressive surgical repair via TJ might be the best course of action even if it's not the conservative approach that most favor. Anyways, just another brick in the wall. This offseason sucks. I guess we're in season now. I need a shot of baseball life man. I hope this team somehow wins 60 games before the ASB.

I always wonder what these guys are doing all winter if they get into camp and suddenly can't throw a baseball. Has to be considered that Dunning was hiding the extent of his discomfort last year and if the Sox were actively monitoring his activity and rehab this winter closely enough. Right now the data points just keep coming in that this org just isn't doing things the right way. And yes, we can use hindsight here. Why not? Looks like he should have had the surgery last fall. He'd already be throwing again like Kopech.

There's zero urgency anywhere in the FO. Hahn seems a decent enough guy, but he knows, like most of these guys do, that as long as they are loyal they've got a lifetime gig under JR. It's still a bit mind boggling that Hahn has been promoted from essentially a pure "capologist" and "contract guy" to GM in charge of baseball operations. Like, what in Hahn's background suggests he's capable of this role? Nothing.

It's also like 50 degrees and raining in the Valley of the Sun. If you came down from Chicago and planned this out months ago right now you are just shaking your head. I doubt there will be more than 1000 folks in attendance at any of the games the next week. Things aren't supposed to warm up for another week at least. It's been an absolutely brutal February for pretty much the entire west coast and 300 or so miles inland. Snow in vegas, low 50s in Phoenix and LA with rain constantly and lows in the teens in Seattle, which is unheard of for the most part. It's 34 and flurrys out my window right now. WTF man. This time of year it's often mid 50s and the rhododendrons are starting to bloom. Brutal.

Yep, sign Frank as well.

Balta perfectly explained why this is dumb. There's not really much more to argue so I won't. NRIs never workout with the Sox beyond a fluke April because this club's MLB scouting is dog shit. This one won't either. Unless it's a flame balling reliever with control problems their track record here is about zero.

Sure, and you lost the opportunity cost. Look, nobody is going to argue this is a horrible, high risk move. But WTF are they doing man? Like, you can't find an Ian Clarkson to get batted around that's already on your 40 man? You can't find a AAAA guy under 36 not coming off major surgery in a rebuild year? The process is PUKE.

He has a debilitating finger issue that required fairly involved surgery last year. It's 50/50 if he can even make it through spring gripping a baseball. This is a dumpster dive don't fool yourself. And it's not a dumpster sitting outside in Park Slope or the Upper East Side it's a dumpster in a back alley in outer Queens outside the Gyro spot.

What's Jimmy Rollins doing? If he's not calling Hahn right now he's missing out.

cheers bro (or gal), my late father used to turn the the game up downstairs on WGN so my mom would accept I "went to bed" but I could keep listening if I kept the door cracked. I remember he'd come up and close the door after the game was over and sometimes I'd wake and ask if the Sox won, he'd always respond. Big Frank with the RBI! Robin had the clutch pick at third to keep it close! Ray stole the base to put himself in scoring position... in 2005 my dad I were not on speaking terms. I was a cocky college kid that had blown 120 K of his money at private school and done nothing. Somehow we found common ground in El Duque's magical 3 outs and everything else that post season. Wish the old man was here to here me b**** today! And see my business succeeding of course and hear my laughter of how dumb I was at 22. Baseball is family and there are certain things you can say around family that always ring out. All us hardcore fans are family, and right now we are hurting and mad.

If they had a good process and failed it's one thing, but as you noted: they had an awful process and expected to succeed. It's hard to believe that in a multi-billion dollar industry such incompetence is on display. When KW and Hahn come out and say they flatly expected to compete on anything other than AAV -- I'm flabbergasted. Wait, what? Hahn is UM and Ivy League educated. KW has been in baseball since I was in diapers. HOW CAN THEY BE SO NAIVE? It doesn't give much of a good feeling going forward.

Yea the moment you realize that the FO is objectively bad is a rough one. There's no defending this FO anymore. It's objectively bad.

You've been on point this week kudos. I quit smoking weed for one of my resolutions and I've toked up probably 8 times in the last 50 odd days. Coming from a daily heavy smoker this is a big change. I feel a lot more clear headed but man quitting (or largely abstaining) makes me a lot more angry at the Sox. Easier to shrug it off stoned out your gourd and eating sour patch kids.

Don't tweet about a 32 year old journeyman looking "fire" on the mound against air?

what's worse? That they did that or that they did it for pure baseball reasons mutually exclusive from Machado? Talk about a shit sandwich.