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QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 05:43 PM) Because he had a lot of managerial experience in the Phillies organization. He had a good reputation as a future big league manager. As an interim, they wouldn't be under any obligation to go past this season, so they can give him a trial run and see if they want him as they reload over the next couple years. He's been so involved in the disaster that is this season I want no part of him being given a "trial run". I won't mind if the manager is fired and he's given the interim job this season, but the reason to do that is to explicitly fire the manager to make the point that this management has done a terrible job this season. After this season I want him out just like the manager.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 05:12 PM) I don't think it's wise to rely on old and injury prone guys for a core who is getting punished by mass minutes . Ideally more youth and athleticism is probably needed or a veteran who used to be an elite player. Maybe Snell can help with that part. I know everyone is putting their trust in Thibs and the return of Rose but the bench isn't strong enough to compete for a championship unless most of you don't think the Bulls can compete for that this year anyway. I feel like this bench is stronger than the 2011 Bulls bench after the signing of Dunleavy honestly...the downgrade is the lack of Asik, but the backcourt is significantly deeper and thanks to this draft there's more than 1 guy who can shoot. The thing that really helps though is that the Bulls don't have to play a backup as their starting guard because of Butler, they can play Butler a good number of minutes and then use their backups as backups.

June 2011: Robin Ventura named special assistant to Buddy Bell October 2011: Robin Ventura upgraded to manager July 2, 2013, Jim Thome named special Assistant to Rick Hahn ?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) That's true but the Bulls knew Rose was going to miss much of the year so everyone knew the bulk of the playing time would go to Hinrich. Now he's got a few more injuries under his belt and is another year older and I don't think he is capable of defending up to his past standards nor is he much of an offensive threat. I thought the plan was to cover the minutes as well as possible until Rose returned in February, at which point Hinrich could take a break and rest his legs. Oops.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 03:44 PM) I'd agree with that to an extent, but I think you are undervaluing just how crucial 18 hits can be throughout a season. Baseball is a game where one more hit can make all the difference in the world. If you were talking about the difference between a 92 win team and a 90 win team, fine. If you're talking about "boy this team was just terrible because of Adam Dunn's presence", which is the claim you've been trying to defend, that line is nonsense.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) I dont see how you can compare the early-mid 2000 Royals with the Reds. The Reds spent a whole lot more money and actually had players on their team that the average fan had heard of. But I do see your point, and the Reds did have Joey Votto coming up which also forced Dunn out. I guess its one of those situations where there is no right or wrong answer, just me in the minority vs. the majority who disagree on here. However, I am a bit worried at how much posters on this board seem to be extremely pro-sabrmetrics. I got nothing against people who use advanced stats and see value in some of them, but I have a feeling I will be in the minority in a lot of discussions when it comes to evaluating players. I just picked a random year from that set with the reds, 2005. Dunn hit 40 HR and had a .927 OPS. In the Reds starting rotation, here were the ERA's: 3.83 4.21 5.36 6.38 6.47 Cincinatti's team ERA was either worst in the NL or 2nd worst in the NL for more than 1/2 of the seasons Dunn was there and was only outside the bottom 4 once in his entire time there.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 03:24 PM) Thats an unfair comparison if you ask me. Jim Thome, at least early on and in his prime, had two legit tools, hit and power. He is a career .276 hitter which is pretty damn impressive when you consider you could could pencil in him striking out in 1/3 of his AB's. I guarantee you if Dunn was a career .276 hitter with the ability to hit over .300, he would be making more money and be on a different team than the White Sox. None-the-less, good comeback with Big Jim. Some people blame the 2006 White Sox not being as good as 2005 on him (and some other reasons as well), and for some of the same reasons I'm ripping on Dunn, and I guess I will look like I'm contradicting myself here, but Thome did nothing but help that 2006 team. Boy, it would be nice to get that offense back with Dye, Konerko, Thome, and Crede all having fantastic years. If only that team had a CF. Just so it's pointed out, since Dunn is a career .238 hitter, the difference between Dunn and Thome in terms of their "hit tool" is an average of 18 hits per year. 18 hits per year is not why one of them is a solid player and one of them is a hall of famer.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) And I completely agree with you. It would be lunacy to think otherwise, as it would be quite tough for one player to completely destroy a whole team. However, I felt like the Reds built their team around Dunn (was their highest paid player his final couple years there, I believe), and getting rid of Dunn and them becoming better wasn't completely coincidental. Unfortunately, you can tell I have too much Hawk in me and I agree with him that winning is a whole lot more than stats (although I don't go as far as he did with TWTW stuff, he made himself out to look like a complete idiot when he was saying that stuff on mlbn) and have to do with the culture of a team and their clubhouse. The Reds had nothing around him. That's like saying the Royals built their team around Gil Meche and so it's his fault they didn't make the playoffs. Sure he was their highest paid player, but Barry Bonds wasn't making those teams into playoff teams.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 03:03 PM) I'm just bothered by committing to Hinrich and Mohammed mostly. Mohammed saw no minutes until the injuries really piled up and Hinrich's value is tied to playing time and if he can't stay healthy he's worthless. Hinrich might have had a lot more value to the Bulls last year if he hadn't been playing starters minutes in some games.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) If pulling the ball was bad, baseball would be almost as boring as soccer. However, I will never see the value in spending big money on any player who strikes out 1/3 (with probably over a quarter of those K's being of the backwards variety) of the time and only has one legit tool. "You see this fist? This fist is for you if you don't take that back".

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 11:24 AM) Yesterday rose posted a video on his facebook page of his summer workout. He looked just fine to me. Lots of dunking Are you sure it was a summer workout and not from February? Because it's not like he wasn't doing that 6 months agol.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 11:15 AM) I wonder how much that changes a top 25 prospects list? I don't think it does.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 11:19 AM) B and B are usually right on with regards to basketball, but that's stupid if true. That said, lots of assumptions that D-Rose won't suck. if D-Rose sucks, then the only thing to complain about is the fact that he didn't come back this year and the Bulls didn't wave a white flag on this season and dump Boozer now to get under the luxury tax.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 10:36 AM) Unless you are going to move Beckham instead, then Keppinger fills a hole and keeps the spot occupied until Sanchez is ready to take it, probably in 2015. Kep got off to a bad start, but has started to hit and will probably add another 30-40 to his BA by the end of the season. With his contract, he definitely has value as I am sure the Yankees know from facing him in their division last season. It's not like there wont' be "Utility infielders" available on the free agent market this winter if we decide we need one. Heck, with the fact that it seems Keppinger isn't trusted to play SS by Ventura, Keppinger is sorta in the way of actually having a utility infielder.

Aggery sam reported that Dunleavy had an offer of the full MLE and turned it down to play in Chicago.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 09:53 AM) THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS VINNY F*CKING DEL NEGRO. I think that scuffle ended just fine.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 09:05 PM) I actually really like the signing, hopefully they can add one more contributor through free agency because I don't expect anything via trade. Any hope Teague makes a Jimmy Butler like improvement in year 2? I think Teague will improve some but I'm really hoping he won't be on the court very much. This isn't a bad signing, does provide some floor spacing and probably is a guy who will fit into Thibs's defense ok. They still need to re-up with Nazr. The roster could maybe compete with Miami but this certainly doesn't scream "we're over the top".

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 10:31 PM) Keppinger does have value, limited as it may be. Having a guy that is capable of playing 3B and 2B (and in desperate situations, SS) with the ability to hit left handed pitching at the level he does is extremely valuable, but it is limited value. Yeah, I'm not going to move him for scraps, but if an offer with a legit prospect or two comes rolling in, I don't think twice about making the deal. I would move him for scraps. The White Sox aren't in need of a utility guy at a premium price right now. At the very least they have the hole that developed last year, 3b, covered with a platoon that could give similar numbers to Keppinger. That's not a strength, but it's not the gaping weakness it was last year.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 04:21 PM) Adam Dunn's career: (from B-R) High leverage: .232/.371/.488 (.858 OPS) Medium leverage: 238/.364/.508 (.872 OPS) Low leverage: .241/.369/.493 (.862 OPS) QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 07:49 PM) Its just my opinion, thats why I said I think. Sorry that my opinion offends you so much What drives me nuts is that in this very thread a few posts before you repeated your opinion that Adam Dunn started performing vastly worse in the clutch, in high-leverage, game on the line situations...it was pointed out using actual numbers that your opinion didn't match reality. But, you not only repeated your opinion, you completely ignored where it was responded to with actual numbers and pretended it didn't exist.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 06:54 PM) be as bad as him in late/clutch situations, and pile that on top of the fact that he is known for producing most when the games don't matter, I just think that is a losing baseball player. REPEATING THINGS DOES NOT MAKE THEM TRUE.

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QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 06:39 PM) You don't need your number 3 hitter up looking to walk like Dunn does so much, you need him up there driving in runs. So if someone posted Adam Dunn's RBI numbers the last 2 years you'd be content?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 06:18 PM) Rios was pretty bad in June. As we all know, it could linger with him. I would be really surprised, especially if he doesn't pick it up soon, if you could get one of a team's top 5 prospects for him. Then it makes very little sense to trade him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 05:53 PM) People need to look past typical player valuations when discussing deadline deals. If a team feels they're one player from being a legit World Series threat, more often than not they'll be willing to pay a premium to get that player. With the new wild card rules, we now have even more buyers and less sellers than we normally would, which only increases the amount of teams willing to pay such a premium. Rios is going to be one of the few impact bats available at the deadline, at a position of need for many contenders. He's also under team control for 2 1/2 seasons at below market rates. He should be one of the most valuable players at the deadline and there's a very good chance IMO tha someone will be willing to offer something stupid for him. Worth stressing again...the White Sox also are not forced to move Rios. He will not break the bank next year and he could be a useful cog if the White Sox field a competitive team next year. There's no minor leaguer pushing him right now, the only reason why the Sox should trade him is if they get an offer that meets their price.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) Oh goodness. Monta. F*ck sentences. Without rock, worthless. Needs ball. Wants ball. Won't work. Is a bulk three point shooter. Bad percentage. Gets to rim. Only reason to look. Let Knicks have. No thx. Can't afford anyway. He's one of those guys I'd say "If Thibs asks for him, I'll trust him". If Thibs says that, I'd say he thinks he can work with his game. Otherwise you're right.