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QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 05:54 PM) Look earlier at this dates you posted. That'll answer your question. This doesn't make sense to me. The bombings were 3 days apart. Hiroshima didn't exactly have iphone cameras on August 6th. The first representatives of the government that arrived in the city took several days to reach the blast zone. By then, it was August 9th and the 2nd bomb was being dropped.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 05:33 PM) Couldn't vaporizing one entire city make that point? And that second city happening might well have been a mistake. The U.S. dropped that first weapon and then it took several days for the Japanese Government to start getting realistic reports out of the area, but the U.S. wanted an immediate response. Think of the U.S. government as a person on Twitter wanting to know what happened in Boston last week. They dropped the 2nd because the Japanese had done nothing to respond to the first, but the reason the Japanese hadn't responded to the first is that after an entire city is vaporized it takes a few days to get reports out.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 05:27 PM) We wanted to show the Soviets what we were capable of. And if that's the reason why we vaporized 200k people, then the original post is correct and it was an enormous war crime for no reason. It was the worst terrorist attack in human history in that view. Instead, my reading of the situation is that the pro-military-forces in Japan were strong enough that nothing else the U.S. could have done short of invading the mainland would have ended the war, and I think the U.S. military planners were right to believe that would have cost hundreds of thousands of american lives and millions of Japanese civilians. It took the combination of 2 cities being vaporized by a new weapon and the invasion in Manchuria to break the military stranglehold on the government and create a situation where some variety of peace was possible.

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 05:11 PM) EDIT: Also, it makes no sense why he would have suddenly realized how "bad" his team just months after signing that extension, which renders him without bargaining room People have said the same thing about KLove in Minnesota.

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) Everyone else, though...can we show some patience? No. Jeff Keppinger will forever have a BABIP of .180, despite his career .290+ BABIP.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 04:34 PM) Nobody other than a few hundred Americans knew what the secret weapon was or what it was capable of doing. By the time Potsdam rolled around the Cold War had basically started (if not, Potsdam essentially began it)... nobody trusted each other at that point. That conference was more about an American-Soviet rivalry that any sort of cooperation. The actual invasion of Manchuria was almost inconsequential. The Soviets were going to roll the Japanese there whenver they decided to invade, and when they actually did it despite us showing off the atomic bomb at Hiroshima we dropped another on Nagasaki. This isn't really up for debate in any serious forum, you're just being confrontational with me for some weird reason. "Despite us showing off the atomic bomb"? WTF does that even mean? We didn't drop the atomic bomb on the Soviets. The combination made it a really, really bad week for the Japanese.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 04:21 PM) Your point? After what happened in Europe there wasn't much mystery over what the Soviets were going to do in East Asia. Even in 1945 you couldn't just sneak an army the size of one the Soviets had to invade Manchuria across the entirety of Russia without your allies noticing. That it makes zero sense to say that the U.S. dropped the bomb because the Soviets had just invaded Manchuria when the actual history is the opposite order. Your interpretation of the history requires those events to be backwards. The Soviets had pledged to launch a war against Japan at Potsdam at the request of the Americans, and the U.S. informed Stalin of a secret weapon at the same conference. The Soviets said that they could invade earlier than they actually did, they stalled for a few days, then the U.S. vaporized a city. At that point, the Soviets launched their invasion. The U.S. dropping those bombs was not to scare an army that had already invaded manchuria, as you stated, since that army had not invaded manchuria.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) Just about time to DFA Veal Oh, joy, now you're having fun forgetting what that means.

Mauer was stunned that last pitch wasn't a strike.

Come on Veal

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) We dropped the atomic bomb because the Soviets had just invaded Manchuria and we needed to 1) win an unconditional surrender from Japan ASAP and 2) make it clear to the Soviets we were not to be f***ed with. That's the reason. It wasn't because mean ole America was so evil and racist that we wanted to flash fry a hundred thousands dirty Japs in the blink of an eye. If that was our real motivation our post-war occupation of Japan and Germany would not have been so benevolent. "America dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima because they were racist" has to be the most blatantly stupid thing anyone has ever said about the topic. You didn't come up with yourself did you? Where did you read that? As for why it wasn't a war crime? We won. Atomic bombing of Hiroshima: August 6, 1945 Atomic bombing of Nagasaki: August 9, 1945 Soviet Invasion of Manchuria begins: August 9, 1945.

I officially don't like Hicks.

"Why didn't you draft that high risk high reward high school kid! Fire the GM!" "Why isn't the 19 year old high risk high school kid ready to be called up yet?! Fire the GM!"

QUOTE (Baron @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 03:58 PM) They have called Jerry out numerous times for spending money in the wrong places and supporting one team more than the other. Well that would be dumb and poorly informed.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 03:57 PM) Oooh man. Rios has lost 2 HR now this series because of that damn wind. That wind has really been getting us these past couple days.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) Come on Kepp, this is the exact situation that we signed you for. He'll make contact.

Woooooooooooooooooooooooo

6 IP, 1 ER. Still not bad.

I actually prefer the walk there to giving Mauer anything to hit, given his history off Floyd.

Hopefully Mauer only drives in 1 here.

QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 03:25 PM) What are the options with Dunn really? DFA or clear waivers and send him down to AAA? Dunno just grasping at straws trying to find some sense to this madness. He can't be sent down without his permission. He could instead request release and hang the Sox with the remainder of his contract.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 03:13 PM) There's your run, Floyd. We can't even score in an exciting way, lol. Wild pitch and groundout, lowering Keppinger's average even further. PEople would complain more if it was a HR.

Woo, a point!

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 03:05 PM) I am stunned by how awful the Sox lineup is today. Dunn has no business being in there, and the current bench shows a lack of preparation by the front office. © fathom, June 20, 2004.

Mauer's retired twice! That means he'll get a hit next time.