Balta1701

Moncada would be a salary dump if moved also.

Or LaRussa got a clean bill Of health…

They described it as the quarterly payroll for an entire Imperial sector.

Hader looked great until one swing by Freeman, now struggling.

Former white Sox reliever Tommy Kahnle makes an appearance

They were slightly above .500 each month in 2021 except May where they were 19-10. They finished things off with the division just around the all star break. After Houston swept then out of the league, they followed that up with a 14-5 stretch right around the break at the same time as Cleveland had their toughest stretch of the season and IIRC that was when they lost Bieber as well. That stretch is the point everyone points back to when they say they’ve been .500 for a year and a half.

Despite all the other baffling moves and insanity, nothing makes less sense to me than this concept - the relationship between the GM and the bosses is irrevocably broken, the GM has no responsibilities and is publicly embarrassed all the time, he has no job but reading mean tweets about his performance because someone else selects all the key moves, but the GM is happy and hasn’t resigned and keeps signing contract extensions. Naw.

Rick Hahn’s slogan: the buck stops with everyone but the GM the General Manager can’t be in charge why would you expect me to manage anything RUN AWAY!

No they did not. They conducted 1 interview, with Willie Harris, because they were required to interview a non-white candidate by the Selig rule. That interview was not a real interview of course, since they had already decided they were giving the job to Tony LaRussa. No one else was actually interviewed.

The longer they were with this coach the worse things got? Alternatively, maybe it was the Yermin effect?

More than 1 interview is at least listening. What they did to Willie Harris last time was not in good faith.

Sounds like a big ticket price increase is coming through for a lot of fans. Not everyone, but the renewal notices apparently are hitting lots of people with price increases.

That's practically the best thing I've ever heard from a sports team? Yeah if I had tickets I would totally go sit in the ballpark and eat and drink during the rain delay on a 50% discount before a playoff game. Shut up and take my money.

I'll do you one better, Why is Abreu?

This is why the current GM and management regime has utterly failed (again) and needs to be replaced.

You know what bugs me about these? They're equally deaf to what they're saying about the team. Moncada strikes out and walks back to the dugout like it's no big deal? That's...exactly what I want him to do? I don't want him dwelling on one strikeout, I don't want him taking stuff out to the field with him. I want him acting like a professional baseball player. He fouls a ball off and now he can't play for 3 days, I don't want him playing hurt, he's not effective when he's playing hurt, so why is he getting hurt so often? I want Yoan Moncada to come in physically and mentally prepared to do damage, do the best he can, and not be in a foul mood because of a single strikeout. The only person that game seemed to bother was Tony LaRussa, and no one is enforcing "Moncada needs to talk to the press", so who exactly was in charge of the locker room? It clearly wasn't the manager then, so what the hell? Isn't that supposed to be someone's actual job, Moncada isn't supposed to knwo when the press wants to talk to him. Adam Engel owned up to it, ok, so what did we learn from that? Doesn't seem like we learned anything to me, we had plenty of other sloppy games afterwards. So much of that sounds like guys from the 1980s complaining about the kids these days. We need some hard asses! We need people to own up to mistakes! Really, that's what we need, not a level of focus, preparation, and professionalism, we need guys who are angry? We need more TWTW? Sure seems like we had plenty of emotional swings this year, but a far more consistent problem was lack of preparation physically before and during the season and lack of mental preparation before each game. Bringing in more old white guys to yell more...might not be the answer they think it is?

Presumably even if they’re fools they realize those things, but if they’re even considering doing so despite that reality they’d be motivated by behind-the-scenes stuff we don’t fully know about and an estimation that they can’t put the same guys in the locker room together again.

I agree with pretty much all of those. I have found it weird that a few people have suggested trying to dump 4 or so players on the Dodgers - Moncada, Grandal, Anderson, and Hendriks, clearing out lots of money that way, and just going into next season fresh at each of those positions. The Dodgers would seemingly have room to do this and a couple of the players do match up with their needs (closer, 3b, SS are all open for them next year). I would have never thought this was feasible, but it's interesting that several people have suggested it and Lip has 3 of those same players listed.

I have no strong preference for or against him, but I am quite happy that they're actually interviewing him. They should absolutely be interviewing leading future managerial candidates including Espada and Alomar. If they wind up hiring someone else, at least they did their due diligence this time.

1. Hendriks is not due $39 million he's due $29 million. 2. Here's my exact words. What you just said is false, you are making up words to put in my mouth. I doubt the Rays would take his contract on, but his contract is absolutely movable, you're just not getting a strong return for him because $14 million a year relievers are quite highly paid. 3. You are the one who just said that the White Sox could eat money in 4 years if they needed to clear out a bad contract. Isn't that precisely where the White Sox are right now? They're 3 years into Grandal's deal, and his deal has gone bad. Can the White Sox afford to "eat money" right now to clear out Grandal's contract? No, and you know that. It's easy to assert that "oh that contract would be a 4 years from now problem", but then when you look at the situation the White Sox are currently in, it meets literally all of the standards one would give for why the White Sox would do a deal like that. a. In the middle of their competitive window. b. Really could use the money on the FA market to go fill another hole. c. Prospect is >1 year away, no spot for him next year. d. Prospect is blocked by Tim Anderson who has 2 years of control remaining, and who (prior to this season) people might have even talked about extending him to keep him here for his career. All of the things one might say for why the White Sox would use a prospect to clear out payroll are met in this case, but the moment one attaches a name to it, it's "OMG this guy is a future star and you're using him to clear salary you're an idiot!!!" - and that's exactly correct. I would have to be an idiot to do that. It is super easy to assert that these contracts won't be a problem in 4 years. That's why you're doing it. But you're staring at the end result of that assertion right now, and look how I dragged the outraged personal response out of you by just adding in the type of name it would take to make it happen. You're outraged at the concept and bringing in other debates because what it takes to deal with a "4 years from now" problem is actually really extreme for this organization.

You’re right. The White Sox were totally able to move Craig Kimbrel. I specifically remember how hard people came down on me for suggesting they would have to take bad money back, and my favorite was the day I said he was an average at best reliever. Boy did that ever provoke outrage. So please, tell me how great his value is again. I really want to hear it. Please continue, Governor.