Balta1701

Welcome to Soxtalk, when did you become a White Sox fan?

Now do Vargas.

A team would do that to lock in a reasonable rate and to guarantee some extra control. Let’s do an example. 7 year, $150 million deal. Y1 $10 million, Y2 $15 million, Y3-Y7 $25 million each. Opt out after Y3 (or Y4, take your pick on what you want to guarantee). The team locks Crochet down for 3-4 years if he’s good, if he’s injured you can still afford the backside and some portion of that is probably insurable against serious injury. Crochet turns 26 this season in June. If you give him an opt out after Y4 he hits free agency again at 29. He gives up 1 or 2 years of control to put a guaranteed 9 figures in the bank. Fiddle with the numbers a little if you’d like, that’s a good setup for 27-28 teams.

I am uncertain if this is more or less funny due to the unsolved shooting in the outfield during a white Sox game.

From the philosophical perspective here…please tell me why. Why exactly is it impossible to support a regularly solid payroll team like the Astros or Phillies or Rangers in Chicago? Right now, fine - because the team is so so bad, but why are the White Sox in a larger market so much worse off financially than teams in smaller markets?

The risk that no one will want to pay for him.

This isn't directly Crochet related but does cover the Cubs and a guy they are talking to other teams about...

This is also precisely why the White Sox might be willing to drop their price on him to move him.

There have been some articles saying that the As will be putting out their highest ever payroll this year to start building attention while they’re moving.

Just to add, while in general I see the concept of going with this and it's better than a bunch of Flexen signings...boy is this ever an un-heralded group. If people actually think that Katz and Bannister are miracle workers, here's the rotation for them to show it. If this rotation is just plain awful, the excuses are already written. "How could you expect better with so little talent in the rotation" is going to be the thing written when people try to judge them next fall.

There's a big difference between these two types of signings. With Fedde, you could call it a gamble. The guy looked to have some nonzero chance at outperforming his contract, at having figured things out overseas. I'd be ok with something like that again. Flexen looks like a different matter to me. He was coming off a year when his big league ERA was 7. HIs peripherals were terrible, almost as bad as Thorpe. I look at him as "Cheap innings". There's nothing obvious about his profile that says he had a chance at improvement. These we don't need. If you can give me a guy who has some chance at being better, someone who has a chance at being tradable, I'm ok with that. Someone coming off TJS, or someone who had a dramatic drop-off for reasons. Walker Buehler comes to mind here - you could definitely talk me into a 2 year deal for him with an opt-out after year 1, although I'm not sure if Getz would do that since "We don't do opt outs" was a thing for the White Sox previously. I find the Soroka gamble a lot smarter than the Flexen signing, if we were doing things like that again.

Ideally, the way this goes is that you develop several players who are interchangeable, and you use the DH spot to give people rest or to limit the exposure of people who are bad at defense. I guess Ideally the best answer would have been Ohtani but our owner laughed at the concept of signing him. Had we not failed at developing guys, Eloy, Vaughn, and Sheets would have been an ideal set of guys to rotate through DH because none of them are great at defense and you could play matchups with them. This year with the White Sox, depends on who is ready to come up at the end of Spring Training. If Ramos is ready to come up, then that would move Vargas there. If Elko can come up, it moves Vaughn there sometimes. If Fletcher can be an effective corner OF, that would move Benintendi there. Is that important? Not really, they all work.

The famously successful White Sox format of paying premium prices for DHs.

Ah the famous compliment, being compared to Red Sox fans. Well done Getz.

Mike Clevinger beat up at least one woman and has other abuse allegations against him and Chris Getz paid a premium price for that in an offseason where he spent the whole time trying to find leadership.

Like a guy with an ERA of 10 at AAA? Just do me a favor, don't come back in a year if this Rice guy puts up a 1 WAR season and say that you called him being ok...because you're not willing to trade anything for him.

Then pick him up when he's put on waivers, same as Eder.

To be fair, I wasn't here because Chris Getz felt the need to willingly sign a player who no one else in the league wanted because he beats women.

Quite frankly, yes, Minor League relievers are garbage. Anyone remember when Rick Hahn spent 2018-2019 piling them up and then got literally 0 big league relievers out of the ones he traded for? Show me that he's actually able to have some success as a reliever. Dude literally has zero value right now. There is a good chance that he could be moved through waivers right now without being claimed. You're literally saying "They should give us this player for free".

Tim Hill? Picked up after being released. No reason for them to go after an Eder when they can just wait for guys to be released.

Let's face it...the Yankees got a LH reliever from the White Sox this year for a lower price than a prospect.

Even then I'd have to imagine they would sit around and wait for him to be put on waivers this season. Same as Colas right now, you just have to expect that these guys will be available for nothing this year.

I don't see how Eder could have any value right now. Would you swap in a better-performing minor league pitcher, someone maybe like Burke who could help them this season?

Given how little the White Sox have to trade presumably he's coming back as one piece for Crochet? Or do you have another concept in mind? He's not on a rule 5 list right?

I'll bite. Who is Rice?