Balta1701

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:55 PM) Also, he isn't on steroids right now....so what difference does it make what he did 2 years ago? Well, there's plenty of reasons to think that his body may be severely worn down by a long period of steroid abuse and that could have contributed to his repeated muscle sprains this season.

QUOTE (BFirebird @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:40 PM) So if KW is still the GM in 5 years...will he try this with Twins players from the 2000's like he does with Indians players from the 90's? Mauer and Morneau? Ok.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) Waxman. Head of Oversight Committee. Oh. I love that guy. I get the joke now at least.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:33 PM) How is he doing in the clean world of baseball He had a spectacular year with the Phils in 2007. His numbers in S.F. have declined, but everyone expected that when he got into that huge ballpark. His OPS in the giant S.F. stadium in 2008 and 2009 were higher than his 2005 numbers with the Sox.

QUOTE (The Beast @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) Okay, so now that they have acquired him, what do we owe this fool and how does that impact the payroll next year? The White Sox will owe manny about $4 million total. I've read 1 report that says up to $3 million of that money is deferred. This really shouldn't impact payroll next year at all, given that it'll help us stay in a pennant race. However, we do have the option of re-signing him if an agreement can be arranged.

Yovanni Gallardo was robbed by a gun-wielding assailant last night.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:27 PM) Ken_Rosenthal #Dodgers GM Colletti covering his bases. Could trade or dump Manny on #WhiteSox. Could trade Lilly. Could do nothing. #MLB Huh? Where did the Lilly part come from? I don't think KW's going to mistake Ramirez for Lilly.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) Supposedly, there were at least 2 from that World Series team. Regardless if that is probably the lowest number for a World Series team in that decade, there were still roiders. I still note...that's the first year full public testing happened, and none of them were caught. Palmeiro was caught that year in the spring. So...there's still some reason for wondering.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:23 PM) This is Manny Ramirez we are talking about, he of the .934 OPS against righthanded pitchers this year and earning $4 million dollars next month Ramirez'. He will NOT be platooning with Mark Kotsay of all people. The one thing to remember...Manny's had less than 200 PA's this season for a reason. Even at DH...they may baby him somewhat to try to keep him healthy. Especially with an expanded roster. I seriously doubt that playing him 30 straight games at DH is in the cards.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) 1. Is there any way LA says to just take him and the remaining $4mil? 2. Besides the cheating, he also quit on his team. Quit. 3. Is the rumor that he wanted a year added to his contract still alive? I'd hate to see that happen. 1. Yes. That's entirely plausible. 3. It's been denied, but there's no reason that the denial couldn't be wrong, or that ManRam couldn't have a change of heart.

By the way...something worth pointing out. Any trade has to be completed by Tuesday, right? Wednesday is the day the rosters expand. so I think someone would have to be sent down or DL'd to clear the roster spot for him on Tuesday...which is only important in that the person sent down couldn't be called back up when the rosters expand.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:17 PM) There have been a lot of Sox players that have taken PEDs that you most likely have cheered for over the years. And I really dislike myself for cheering for Schoenweis in 2004.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:20 PM) What happens if helps carry the Sox to a WS title??? I'd cheer for him and feel really damn dirty about it.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:16 PM) Balta, I never said I didn't think he took steroids, in fact that's why I said I'm not stupid, with that said..... I was saying he never failed a test ecause of steroids. Obviously he juiced hence the fertility drug, but was pointing out not because of roids. Yes, he was taking steroids when he tested positive for the fertility drug. He also tested positive for steroids in the 2003 round, reportedly. There's simply no way of saying "he never tested positive" that isn't going to draw a condemnation from me, because it's wrong.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:14 PM) I think some are going to be upset when if and when it's Viciedo in the deal for a rental. Seriously, this post was answered 3 times in the other thread. It's 100% impossible for the Sox to move Viciedo for him.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:15 PM) Maybe he should wear the infinity symbol. 8?

QUOTE (PlunketChris @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:07 PM) I know pitchers are more babied now than ever, but will something like this take how young pitchers are handled to the next level of caution? seriously...what else could be done?

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) Forget Sale or Viciedo, they are not going anywhere, or I'd be shocked if they did. It's not just being shocked...it's flat out impossible. They'd have to clear waivers themselves.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:08 PM) Who are we going to give the Dodgers in trade for this rental? That should be interesting. Flowers? Sale? Viciedo? All 3 of those names are impossible. You can not trade anyone on the 40 man roster without them passing through waivers themselves.

By the way guys, I'm going to go ahead and upgrade this thread to the main forum page in a minute or two so that it's no longer hiding in Trade Winds. Don't be surprised if it moves.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) I'm not stupid, but with that Manny never tests positive for steroids, he got caught take estorgene in what was believe in between cycles. He most likey did roids but never got caught. First of all...the idea that there's any other reason he would be on a women's fertility drug other than coming down off a full steroid cycle is 100% ridiculous and really you look bad every time you say it. Secondly, he was reportedly a positive test in the 2003 runs as well. Now you can tell me it doesn't bother you, that you'll cheer for him anyway, whatever. I can respect that opinion. Just don't pretend it didn't happen.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 02:22 PM) Nice. (Honestly, I'm not quite sure who you meant. Pelosi is my guess, but that's it).

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 02:34 PM) I'll get you other links when I get home from work. He IS the suspect atm. His attorney has confirmed he is a suspect, but no arrests or charges have been made yet in that case. I seriously hadn't heard of the incident at his office at all until you guys posted about it, and I usually follow these pretty closely.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) That's a great point, but wins means more than morality to this shallow Sox fan. I know, I know, I'm a sellout to laundry too...but I still claim the right to be bothered by this and to chant Steroids whenever he's up.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 02:53 PM) I think this is a good call. I think Kenny is gonna offer to take on more of the $ to get Manny here this weekend. I don't know who noted it or where...but having ManRam in the lineup on the day that you honor perhaps the most vocally outspoken opponent of steroid abuse of the last 20 years in MLB still bothers me. My heart would rather him not arrive until Monday just for that reason.