Balta1701

The White Sox did overhaul their development just as the rebuild trades were hitting. Getting good players out of those deals has been a solid success, but it has been at least partially balanced by the complete inability to develop anything else. Having to spend money on several utility guys, spending truckloads of money on relievers when they were supposed to be overflowing with reliever candidates, and now having the 30th ranked system and no ability to pull off big trades without sacrificing the big league roster are all symptoms of that. For the overhauled development staff, that should all be concerning.

They have the Mets in their division which sure does seem like it should be some extra motivation.

That would have made more sense than what they did. ”We don’t want to risk having $18 million given to a pitcher we’re not sure about. We are totally ok risking $16 million on that though.”

Wash was brought in to coach him after he got off to a terrible defensive start in ‘15, because the White Sox had never done basic defensive drills with him. Semien showed rapid improvement - see his first and second half error totals in ‘15.

Yes. While this may have changed now, at least in 15-16 the As worked way harder in developing players. There was a notable article in Oakland back in ‘15 after they brought in Ron Washington to coach Semien where Wash said that Marcus had never done basic SS drills. He wasn’t saying this to indict the White Sox, he was trying to give the Oakland press something positive - but a guy coming up through the entire organization, getting shoe-horned into being a utility guy, playing SS more than any other position, and never once doing basic SS fielding drills or being taught footing? That was a perfect summary of the franchises at the time.

Dude I totally agree. I can also recognize when an argument is weak sauce. “Look he’s on a list with Pujols! (15 slots below him between Ike Davis and Marty Cordova)” is not a strong sell.

Outside of 1 name, the bottom of that list isn’t all that impressive. “Who would ever send Ike Davis or Eric Hosmer back to AAA with the careers they put up!” Isn’t a hard sell.

Oakland actually got Montas from the Dodgers.

He is absolutely tradeable. The White Sox will just have to eat some money to make it happen, or take back an equally bad contract.

You can suggest this all you want but the rookie wall and sophomore slump from bodies having to adapt to this schedule are common enough that there are terms for them. And that was before anyone lost a year due to COVID.

That rumor did exactly what it was supposed to do. Generated clicks without costing the person who posted it any credibility when nothing happened.

There’s a big difference between Vaughn + Crochet and Sheets + Crochet that other teams could fit into.

The obvious response then is you’re not getting Montas.

I’m game for that.

I believe he was quite bad with inherited runners.

They were 6-7 last year and 1-2 in 2020.

And they would have declined his option had he been that bad for them.

I didn’t say they wouldn’t do it. I said to ask what it would take for them to do it.

Ask yourself what it would take to get the Rays to take on like $13 million.

I still can’t believe Boston would go to the ALCS, trade away Renfroe, lose Schwarber, get an extra $20 million under the tax, and come out of this offseason without one more bat.

No. That’s without Keuchel or Abreu, but while thinking about filling out a roster so up to 26 players, and keeping Lopez and Engel so there’s a bit they could free up from those two, but they also don’t have obvious replacements around. They just have a lot of money committed for next year.

Realistically assuming arb offers to obvious guys like Gio and Cease, and with Keuchel gone, the white sox’s payroll next year is already $170 million+. If $190 is an issue this year, are we comfortable having $190 on the books for 2023?

For this year yes. They were already offered before the CBA expired. They go away next year. The fact that they do suppress the market for guys this much is why the players wanted them gone so badly.

Yes, Chris was up weeks after signing. That infamous at bat where Joe Mauer went basically “what the hell was that” after striking out was like 2 months after he was drafted.

Sale had also thrown 280 innings in the combined 2 years before being drafted. Crochet has never throw 100 in a season. Big difference. If the white Sox wanted him as a starter they needed to take their time and work him in the minors more.