Balta1701

I know bigger points made, but Collins has an option left?

Wasn’t he quite useful for them?

Something I realized yesterday when looking at the tax numbers. Remember Rick Hahn’s shenanigans with Hendriks’s contract, where rather than just signing him for 4/$54, he can convert the final year into an option that becomes deferred money? The luxury tax calculation is guaranteed dollars divided by guaranteed years, at least on Hendriks. Because it’s 3 years guaranteed and $54 million guaranteed, his luxury tax number for this year is $18 million. If they had just signed him for 4/$54 without the shenanigans, his luxury tax number would be $13.5 million. Thats the difference right now between having a Spotrac estimate of $17.25 million in tax space and $21.75 million in tax space. No one thought that would matter at the time, and all of a sudden it does.

It remains darned interesting how a team with Tim Anderson, Liam Hendriks, and Eloy Jimenez went sleepwalking through the second half of last year and now has a bunch of people saying “these signings will provide the energy and fire this team needs!”

So for all the talk of improving the pro scouting, they still wound up with the 2021 trade deadline, and then followed it up this offseason with another batch of small scale signings where they’ve been “beyond atrocious”. You’ve just answered why people are getting more foul with every passing day - especially when the signing many think they should do is sitting there, with them not being aggressive about getting it done.

You want it all in one spot? Sure. The 2019 additions: Yonder Alonso Jon Jay Kelvin Herrera Wellington Castillo Hector Santiago James McCann (great) Alex Colome (expensive in both money and talent, but not bad) 2020 offseason: Grandal Keuchel Encarnacion Cishek Gio Gonzalez Ivan Nova (very minor) Nomar Mazara (traded for Steele Walker, former 2nd round pick/OF) 2021 offseason: Carlos Rodon Liam Hendriks Lance Lynn (traded for Dane Dunning) Adam Eaton Minor deals: Nick Williams, Brian Goodwin, Jake Lamb 2021 trade deadline: Craig Kimbrel Ryan Tepera Cesar Hernandez Going out: Nick Madrigal, Codi Heuer, Connor Pilkington, Bailey Horn (2021 5th round pick). Despite the completely obvious miss, 2021s offseason is expensive but very strong. But the two questions again - is this acceptable performance overall, and if you feel the 2021 trade deadline was unacceptable - did it start at that deadline or is that just part of a pattern?

2020 offseason: Grandal Keuchel Encarnacion Cishek Gio Gonzalez Ivan Nova (very minor) Nomar Mazara None of this started at the 2021 trade deadline.

The 2019 additions: Yonder Alonso Jon Jay Kelvin Herrera Wellington Castillo Hector Santiago James McCann (great) Alex Colome (expensive in both money and talent, but not bad) That was a cost of over $50 million and a loss of Narvaez.

Yes, Grandal. See the part where I said “and a couple big FAs”? Literally exactly who I meant. You can add Hendriks as well.

What player was traded for him?

I have to give all the credit you want for the rebuild trades. Very well executed. Practically every key player on the roster save Anderson and a couple big money FAs came out of there. But the moment they switched and started adding big leaguers, they just started flailing.

If you go back to the 2019 offseason when they started adding players, how many moves starting then would be equal head scratchers? They’ve absolutely had some successes, but it’s like walking through a minefield.

Well, 2020 kinda wasn’t a “total year…”

The one I posted shows them losing a lot of value, but fewer games overall. So how much value they lost depends a lot on the metric…but you wouldn’t be at all surprised to have the white Sox use the IL more this year than last.

When you count how much time they had spent on the IL, the white Sox were actually generally healthy. In fact, only 5 teams had fewer days spent on the IL. The white Sox did specifically get hit with guys like Robert and Eloy on the IL, who had high projected WAR coming into the year - but since they missed so much of the year, that calculation is relying entirely on the projections to figure out what they lost. Was Robert going to flip the switch on if he didn’t have the time off? Was Eloy going to struggle the whole year? Either way, the White Sox were “healthier than average” last year, which should be somewhat worrisome.

And if everything works out, you win 107 games and have home field advantage throughout. And get a bye now!

Someone still is always going to say it.

I fully believe he’s movable. Just not for all $16 million going with.

The opposite still seems so true to me. How many teams are there who want a legit >$10 million reliever? The Phillies took a look at Kimbrel and Jansen and said “heck with this, Knebel and Familia are better for us than Kimbrel”. How many teams are left?

And yet, for all these great offers they’re supposed to have, he’s still here.

Maybe taking the Yankees out of anyone’s worry for 1b competition?

You know, it’s kinda both. They had to go buy both utility guys and an entire bullpen because they’ve basically failed to develop both, and they traded away guys who could fill important roles, so they’re overpaying for both trying to bring them up to good enough.

Well we get one notable signing today at it took until after 11 eastern.

Just looking at one slightly more relevant thing, out of the defense skills Fangraphs breaks out, Vaughn’s weakest was actually throwing. This seems to have been the case both in RF and LF, but although short sting - it was magnified in RF. Im not sure if that’s a thing he can fix through practice.

That’s kinda exactly how Vaughn looked in RF.