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QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 11:31 AM) Given Ozzie and Cabrera's relationship, I believe its some what like Freddy a few years back, the Sox know he would be willing to sign a fair deal with us. A fair deal for Cabrera is probably 10/$225 (slightly backloaded).

This seems like a fairly odd set of misprints.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 10:41 AM) If you trade that much for Cabrera, you have no choice but an extention at very least. Fixed that for you.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 10:59 AM) http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...ml?id=110010855 Since it's the GOP only thread I won't excerpt, and I expect to be torn to shreds somehow, but here's Paul Krugman's response and links to his work on the same subject.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 09:27 AM) We'd need a much bigger military. It'd be both cheaper and more effective to have a much bigger military than to spend the money on these guys. Btw, we learned something interesting this morning. Turns out the brother of the #3 guy in the State Department's Inspector General's office, the guy specifically charged with investigating Blackwater, happens to sit on the "Advisory board" of Blackwater. One of those little nuggets turned up by Congressmen Waxman's work. The person on the State Dept. side says he just learned about this obvious conflict of interest this morning and has now recused himself from Blackwater related investigations.

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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 08:09 AM) I'd think you could do both at the same time. But, if you had to pick one or the other, I think you'll get much more bang for your buck by addressing the demand first. Think about the math. You want to REALLY secure the border with Mexico? A wall as some have discussed, or heck even the virtual wall I have proposed, you are talking tens of billions of dollars (or for the wall, hundreds of billions). For a tiny fraction of that, you can enact tougher laws, and hire a few hundred people whose job it is to find, clean out, fine and collect from businesses who hire illegals. As demand plummets, people will stop being in such a hurry to come across. We've spent probably hundreds of billions of dollars to this point in the "War on drugs" overseas without really attacking the demand side here (except by throwing people in jail), and I'll leave it to others to estimate the effectiveness of those supply-side type measures.

Because Family Guy would rule if it were all about Meg and Chris!

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 08:51 AM) i thought he wanted to play on a team with a chance to make it to the w.s., with a great farm system......yup seems like the rangers are that team! He's just following ARod's example.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 08:34 PM) I absolutely HATE the idea of signing Jones to one year. If he does well, then he'll obviously sign a huge deal elsewhere after the season's over. I don't have much hope for Fukodome, especially because he's supposed to be a corner. So, the fact that we'd get the 2 draft picks if he walked after 1 year doesn't make anyone feel better about that? And anyway, I'd try the "offer him 5 years but give him the 2 year out clause" J.D. Drew type route and let him see if that worked. But anyway, yeah I'm dreaming on that one.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 08:35 PM) Jones has Boras as his agent, you might as well get that thought out of your head. I would rather have Fukudome, but the competition on him might be steep. It might be steeper in teams, but it can't possibly be steeper in dollars than Hunter.

QUOTE(gosox41 @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 08:23 PM) Me too. He's cheaper then hunter and fulfills a need of a guy who can get on base and not strike out a lot. I'm surprised the Sox aren't pushing harder for him. Bob Well, there's always the question...how do we know they're not? He didn't declare as a FA until yesterday either, so no one could really negotiate with him until now. And I think pretty much everything with him has been speculation so far.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 08:23 PM) I agree, there will be a lot of negativity in the media if the Sox miss out on a big acquisition this offseason. Personally, I'll have no problem if they don't blow the budget this offseason. I have no problem missing out on 1 or 2 of these guys if we wind up with #3, 4, or 5. I'll more than happily take Jones or Fukudome. They might well be the better options.

Ok, I'm pretty sure no one beat me to the punch on this one. Putting popcorn into Microwave.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 08:16 PM) Well if Kenny misses out on Torii how desperate does he get with Rowand. With this many CF's on the market, there's no reason to get desperate.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 08:11 PM) To be fair, it's an organizational failure with what's happened in CF, especially Brian Anderson. And, to a lesser extent since he's still younger, Ryan Sweeney. And anyway Fathom, nice job tossing the dynamite into this thread.

QUOTE(SEALgep @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 08:02 PM) Criticism is that the team would then have to spend the money for starting pitcher vs. a CF. To be fair, Vazquez isn't exactly making the league minimum.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 07:46 PM) It's probably just me, but I'd prefer Rowand at 4 years at 48 million over Hunter at 5 years at 75 million. If those were the numbers...I'd have to go with Rowand too.

QUOTE(max power @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 07:25 PM) Uh, its a little soon to say sweeney missed the boat, daily herald schmuck. In terms of starting in CF for the White Sox in April of 08, no it isn't.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 07:06 PM) Absolutely...those are 3 integral players for the Cubs, and it would be way too much to get Crawford, who will be a FA again before you know it. But...there really is no reason at all for Tampa to make that deal without getting those 3 players back. They can certainly hold out for prospects from other teams if they want to make that deal, and shoot for a #1 type starting pitcher (which is not coming back in any deal with the Cubs).

QUOTE(Chombi and the Fungi @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 06:59 PM) Des anyone know the status of Duaner Sanchez? If he has recovered from injury, I wouldn't mind trying to steal him from the Mets. Maybe in a Garland deal get him as a throw in or something. Take a lesser prospect outside of the top-flight one we'd want and inturn add Sanchez. Can anyone tell me about his status? I was always a fan of his. NY Daily News

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) Boras has had more than a few clients who opted for the one year deal and than went back out on the market looking for a long term deal the following years. It can work well, especially if Jones feels that he will be able to rebound (obviously it is a gamble though). Boras only really seems to use that option on guys like Weaver though, who there seems to be really no market for at all. Millwood being the potential exception. I think the J.D. Drew style opt-out after 2 years deal might be where Boras tries to go with this one.

Not sure on how I'd feel about Dotel. I've never thought he was as good as the numbers he put up, but he keeps putting them up even in the AL. On Linebrink, I'm somewhat indifferent...but I really wouldn't like to both pay for him and give up the draft pick. He'd be a solid addition, but with both money and picks going, probably not the smartest. There do seem to be a few other potentially good signings out there as relievers who might be worth more of a risk, and some of them are at the ages where you wouldn't have to shell out for more than 1-2 years for them. And with the sheer number of pitchers we have in the minors, I think that's a reasonable thing. I dunno, like a Doug Brocail or a Matt Herges might make some sense.

According to the Sporting News, Linebrink is actually listed as a type A Free agent, so if we signed him, we'd lose our 2nd round pick (or later if we signed someone else) to Milwaukee and Milwaukee would get a sandwich pick for their trouble.

QUOTE(bschmaranz @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 06:04 PM) Well someone correct me if I'm wrong but we don't lose our first pick if we brought in Linebrink. Here are the type A and B free agents this year. If we sign anyone on that list (the Type A List), we lose our 2nd round pick. As we're picking above 15 though, we'd keep our first round pick.