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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 07:15 PM) If you have the worst defense in the league, you should have the biggest ERA-FIP gap, that makes perfect sense considering FIP completely ignores defense. Another point I forgot - the ballpark effect also plays in. The Rockies have the worst ERA in the league and their xFIP is 0.73 better than their ERA. The White Sox's xFIP is 0.18 better than their ERA, which is their defense playing a role probably. Other teams with a bad defense over the year, like the A's, don't have large differences - their ERA almost matches their xFIP, so other things not in either formula like defensive positioning are playing a role as well.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:50 PM) So does that mean that his ERA should be 2.74 if everything happened like it should have? I'm not that familiar on the stat. Thanks. FIP is supposed to express what a pitcher can control based on their strikeout and home run rates. In other words, it's supposed to be "what the ERA might look like with an average defense". However, it isn't perfect; if a pitcher falls apart when he's pitching from the stretch or a pitcher gives up lots of hits to areas where the defense isn't ready for, it will give him more credit than he actually deserves (the white sox this year have a huge difference between their ERA and FIP, the biggest in the league, suggesting something really systematic).

Come on, one stop, one turnover, something.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) To say a team didn't care one iota about fundamentals is maybe the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted, and that is saying something. And my reply? Go watch those teams. That statement is 100% fair and completely deserved.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:13 PM) Is OSU really the #1 team? I have only seen them briefly in a few games, but they don't looks so great to me. They haven't played like a #1 team, but face it, they're the champs and until they lose they are #1. BOOYEAH

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) Even after pedaling Peavy and Rios ? Sox talk did did what they wanted in 2013. Tyler Flowers. The fact is, the reason the team was bad wasn't coaching or managing. If Joe Maddom was the 2013 White Sox manager with the same roster, are they a playoff team? They traded Peavy and Rios because they were ungodly awful in the 1st half. That's one of the worst questions you've ever asked. If the White Sox were a better team they wouldn't have had to sell off Peavy, Thornton, and Rios at the deadline. I also specifically said that "If the White Sox hadn't had their fundamentals collapse they're close to a .500 team". So you also didn't bother reading my words there. I don't know if Joe Maddon would have done that. I don't know if Joe Maddon could have made the 2012 team so fundamentally sound either. But IMO, if you want to see the difference coaching can make in a team, go watch the 2011, 2012, and 2013 seasons for the White Sox. You will see an incredible fundamental team, one as focused as I've ever seen, surrounded by 2 teams that didn't care one iota.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 05:50 PM) I'm aware of the hindsight. I'm saying from right now, it's insane to think that team could compete, or to hold Ventura accountable for them sucking. Konerko is supposed to be the best hitter on that team. He was already toast. If that team was as good fundamentally as they were in 2012 but Konerko was toast and Sale was hurt, IMO they're a .500 team or nearly so. Again IMO, the reason they were SO AWFUL in all caps was that they suddenly were the worst fundamental, worst defense, stupidest team I'd seen in my time as a White Sox fan, right after the best fundamental team I'd seen as a White Sox fan.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) Swirsky tonight. Hawk testing out missing more games. Retire, Grandpa. If he were to get the Frick Award I think he might.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 05:23 PM) Yeah I don't think anyone expected a team that almost won the division in 2012 to tank so badly. We definitely wanted to compete in 2013. The only true rebuilding year was 2014. I was absolutely stunned at the dropoff in quality of play. I didn't predict things like Paulie finally falling apart completely or Sale getting hurt and that would have probably have made that team unable to compete even if things went well, but that 2012 team was the crispest team in the field I've ever seen and the same players turned into a clown show in 2013. I thought that looked like a strong roster because I was expecting the 2012 strong coaching to continue.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 05:09 PM) More common sense! Thank you. I will list the 2013 starting lineup that was supposed to "compete for the playoffs," and you will laugh. Alejandro DeAza Gordon Beckham Paul Konerko Adam Dunn Alex Rios Dayan Viciedo Alexei Ramirez Conor Gillaspie/Jeff Keppinger Tyler Flowers That team was supposed to be competitive. They had a $115 million+ opening day payroll. They increased their payroll significantly from 2012. Saying the 2013 white sox were a laughable roster is the same hindsight as saying the 2015 roster was. We were supposed to compete those years and talked like it during the offseason.

I don't care at all about your #1 RB being out, we should have gone for that 4th down.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 04:17 PM) They have a little run after the manager get left to fight cancer. That's it. That team is in worse shape than the white sox, just with a 200 million dollar payroll. They've got more dead money with those guys than we have on our roster but they still have some flexibility. Assuming they pick up options on both Buchholz and Ortiz, they'll be close to $150 million committed for 2016 and their payroll this year is $175M. They've probably got the money for ~1 big name, maybe that plus a few guys if they move some stuff around. But really, they're not going to be much better if they can't get Sandoval and Ramirez and Porcello to at least play closer to their contracts. That's $60 million next year. You can't replace that on the Free Agent market even if you're the Yankees.

It's the end of Q1 and we're not down 14 to OSU. I don't even.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) I didn't know specific comments about Hillary should be in the Republican thread. That confuses me. She's Democrat. How come nobody ever believes articles where people say Hillary is one lousy person? Evil is the wrong word but excessively rude? Amazingly rude? Disrespectful? You rarely hear about people being this nasty who are serving the public. 1. Because you're not interested in actually discussing anything about Democrats, you're interested in insulting one of them. You're the guy who won't stop talking about the Cubs in every single White Sox game thread. 2. This week, one of the senior Republicans in the House admitted publicly that the goal of holding so many hearings on Benghazi was not to actually improve security or to discover what happened during the attack, it's to hurt Hillary Clinton's poll numbers. They literally tell you that the point of this for the Republicans is to make Hillary Clinton look bad, and you wonder why no one believes that a bunch of Republicans writing bad things about Hillary Clinton isn't clear evidence that Hillary is terrible. Maybe you should try the Republican thread with that waste, because Republicans saying terrible things about Hillary Clinton seems more likely to be treated as the word of god over there. If you want it questioned and called BS, then feel free to continue posting BS waste of space stupid dumb foolish waste of time New York Post Rupert Murdoch Fox News co articles in here. Because that's what you're posting. But don't be surprised when it gets called a waste of time and an embarrassment to the person posting it.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 11:48 AM) It's to combat the millions of illegals democrats let into the country without enforcing the law because they don't vote republican. Also I still think it's hilarious how sacrosanct voting rights are to you guys but other constitutional rights are just outdated ideas that should be repealed/made worthless. It's a frigging ID. It's not making people walk 100 miles to vote. Hell the fact that voting take place on a business day is more of an inhibitor to voting than getting an ID. 1. Hence the whole concept of "Voter Registration". Perhaps you should take a moment to review the concept, as far as I know no one here has objected to that. In fact, I encourage you to test this by attempting to register a large number of non-citizens to vote. Make sure they have your name and know that you're strongly encouraging them to do so. 2. So "voting on a business day" is an impediment to voting, does that also not indicate that having a mobile ID facility in a county only open 1-2 days a month or having to drive several counties over is a similar issue?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 11:54 AM) http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/10/3/9443...t-robin-ventura Says it better than most could on the subject of Ventura. Also, it's not clear that Ventura received an extension of any sort, just that he's being "retained" as the manager for next season...with the obvious concern now that the new bench coach (let's say, Jose Valentin or McEwing if he doesn't go to the Mariners) then automatically starts out as the back-up QB and the pressure's going to be immense on the team (regardless of what they do in the offseason) to get off to a much better start than in 2015. After the 2013 debacle, the White Sox did not announce Ventura's extension until January.

This is something of an impressive catch by Pillar.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 09:34 PM) Next year should be do or die for Ventura and Hahn. They clearly want to go for it again, so there needs to be good transactions and Ventura needs them ready out of the gate. Just to note - the "all in" moves this idea would require are extremely likely to damage the franchise for multiple subsequent seasons.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 12:34 AM) didn't he have an assault or something on his record prior to this? Prior to his heroic killing of an unarmed teenager, he had several runins with the law but none serious.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 12:29 AM) Guys I don't make up this stuff. Go ahead and blame the messenger, this investigative reporter obviously made all this stuff up. I like the last quote: A person with Hillary's temperament should not even be hired by a McDonalds much less the presidency. She is evil, but go ahead and blame the messenger. http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-servic...e-to-work-with/ Seriously, go to the d*** Republican thread. That's why we have it. You want to rip Democrats, there's a thread for it. You can spout off all the NY Post rumors and tell us the virtues of mass deportation all you want.

Even using my preferred "we're not competitive in 2016 and we need to act like it" model, there's no reason why this team can't be back to the top of the division in 2017 or 2018. We've got at least 1 more shot before the pressure really starts to rise to move him. When the White Sox do their "all in" thing again next year, trade Quintana for some career NL hitter close to free agency and come back totally surprised that the 2016 roster flopped just like the 2015 roster, then suddenly we'll have Sale for only 3 years and we'll be staring another year that should be a developmental year in the face. That's when the pressure starts rising. The time when I'd guess the price for Sale would line up with the price teams would pay for Sale will come sometime around 2017-2018. Moving everything for a guy with 2-2.5 years remaining is a gamble teams will take and one that would make sense for the White Sox. Of course, they'll still be insisting that their 15 games under .500 team is right there, so we won't even do that.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 06:50 PM) Seriously. Our three biggest contracts ever add up to a good over/under for Heyward. 194.5 what you guys got? over

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 08:42 PM) Since your not blaming Robin and think managers have little to do with the game, I'm assuming your blaming KW and or Hahn for this crapfest? If the GM replacement wanted to keep Robin I'd be ok with that.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 06:51 PM) You also won't find a lot of franchise all time passing leaders in FA and the draft yet everyone wants to get rid of Cutler. He's a kicker who can't get a touchback and who missed a few big kicks over the last few years. It was dumb when they paid him as much as they did. Move on. He probably won't be with the Bears in 2019 anyways. I'd say tell the Steelers he's theirs for their 5th and wait a week to see if they get desperate.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 07:30 PM) Also, not everyone has access to the necessary documentation to even get a driver's license or state id in the first place. And I'm sure that poor people can get off work the day that the voter ID unit gets into their county and they can obviously drive themselves to the registration site. But let's just be honest, we all know that's the point.