Greg Hibbard

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 9, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) Timo not batting ever.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) His ERA since the start of June is 1.73. His ERA since the start of July is 1.05. His ERA since the all-star break is 0.93. I said it before and I'll say it again....7/27/05 against KC.

QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) If the Sox choke they won't have to. The right combo of their wins and our losses and we're the laughing stock... again. Assuming the mediocre Indians play 6 over .500 (I think 28-22 is the very top of what they can do, but whatever), The Sox would have to lose 34 of their last 50 games. I can't think of a stretch the Sox have had in the past ten years (other than possibly august of 99) where they have been that bad over that many games.

Yes, I realize that the 1995 angels blowing an 11 game lead was in a three division format but Seattle was one of the best teams in the AL that year and the 2005 Indians aren't even the 4th best team in the AL...

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 03:29 PM) ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE! :rolly Sorry guys, but the inconsistent Indians, Hunter-less and hitless Twins and terrible Tiggers are not good enough teams to win 40 of their last 50 games. It's not going to happen. Period.

Let's compare apples to apples, guys. Since divisional play began, what's the largest lead blown? In particular, since the three division format was introduced, what's the biggest lead blown? My point? Back in 1951 it was perfectly reasonable for an elite team like the Giants to overtake another team that had a helluva season, even though the Dodgers had a 13 game lead. There were only two leagues and no divisions. Oh yeah, and my other point is that again, if the Sox blow this I will eat a car.

"the giants win the pennant! the giants win the pennant! the giants win the pennant! the giants win the pennant!"

I totally agree with Murcie that we have one of the weakest "legacies" of all the original AL franchises. I think if you asked non-sox fans who the retired numbers were from the White Sox, you'd find that most people under the age of 30 couldn't name even one (most associate Fisk with the Red Sox).

QUOTE(IndplsSoxFan @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) While we're looking at recent history, look at the A's performance in the playoffs during this span... Since this thread is comparing the media perception of the A's vs. the media perception of the Sox, I think the fact that the White Sox haven't won a playoff game since 1993 pretty much disqualifies our fan base from attempting to ridicule any other team's playoff performance....

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 01:54 PM) No, it wouldn't be impossible. Are some of you not familiar with the history of baseball and some of the big leads that have been choked away? It has happened before and it WILL happen again. Hopefully, not in 2005. If the sox don't win the division I will eat a car.

Not sure about the best, but hands down the funniest game I attended was a Blue Jays/White Sox game in 1991 or 1992. It was raining all game and David Cone was no-hitting us. Jays were up like 14-0 or something ridiculous like that. Most of the fans had left by the fifth. It was f***ing brutal weather out there. Anyway, Pasqua comes up with one out in the fifth, doubles sharply into the gap. The remnants of the crowd boo and then most leave. I thought it was hilarious. I stuck around until the very end

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) I was just thinking that. I'm sure the last week or two, McCarthy or Adkins may be thrown in to a start or two to align the rotation for the playoffs. With the stretch we have coming up though, if the Sox start scuffling and the tribe pulls within 10, I don't expect anyone to be getting any time off until RIGHT at the end.

edit: never mind

Interestingly, Buehrle and Garland have relatively brutal stretches but Garcia has it much easier.... Buehrle at Boston vs. Minnesota @ Minnesota @ Texas vs. Detroit vs. LA Angels at KC vs. Cleveland vs. Minnesota at Cleveland Garland at Boston vs. NYY @Minnesota @Texas vs. Detroit vs. LAA @ Minnesota vs. Cleveland @Detroit @ Cleveland Garcia at NYY vs. Minnesota @ Minnesota @ Seattle vs. Detroit vs. KC @ KC @ Minnesota Minnesota @ Detroit

What will be the final W/L totals for Buehrle, Garland and Garcia? Buehrle - 18-6 Garland - 22-9 Garcia - 16-8

So he's wearing a Red Sox uniform in the statue, right?

Wow, there are just some things I would rather not know.

See, I feel as though the White Sox fans are considered the "red-headed step-children" that Fisk has just had to deal with. On the excerpts I heard of his speech, what he said seemed sort of forced and half-hearted. I understand he is a new-englander, and it seems like he'll always be a Red Sox in his heart and treat the White Sox as his "second team" and the White Sox fans as his "second fans" I really don't like that treatment. I understand he had a falling out with Sox ownership that resulted in bad blood and sealed his entry into the hall-of-fame as a Red Sox, but it still makes me feel kind of bad.

I know a lot of people really differ with my view of Fisk, but I'm interested to see what you guys think of the statue that was put up in his honor and the very diplomatic speech he made.

ok I got it from somewhere else

Sorry, it's here: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/index

somebody wanna copy and paste? It's probably about Veeck, Disco Demolition Night and stuff like that. http://espn.go.com

QUOTE(UofIChiSox @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 09:49 AM) Us being their b**** is exactly why we should hope they stay hot, so we'd face them in the ALCS and not the Divisional Series. Why is winning an ALDS something to hang our hats on? If we don't go to a world series this year, I know I'll be disappointed...

QUOTE(the People's Champ @ Aug 8, 2005 -> 09:41 AM) Ok what does that have to do with 2005??? The Sox don't get any respect because over the last few years, they haven't earned any. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the way it goes. When your team wins 91, 96, 102 and 103 games over the past four seasons and you get as hot as the A's have been the last month, it's easy to see how people might give them a little more credit than they gave the Sox initially. Beane consistently puts together winning teams and this year is no exception. Unfortunately for us, this season has been the exception to the rule for the Sox in recent history.

How many times have the A's won 90+ games from 2001-2004 How many times have the Sox won 90+ games from 2001-2004