TheBigHurt

I always have and always will love Paul Konerko. The man is responsible for the most excitement moment in my life as a sports fan, and he relived it today. I have NEVER bashed Paulie on this board and I never will. He is and will always be my second all time fave WS player (after Frank).

Only 4 posts in this thread is asinine, lol.

I think this is the greatest thing I can ever RECALL seeing on this board. Masterful.

ANOTHER ONE FOR PAULIE!!!

FLASHBACKS FROM 2005!!!

I've heard that before.

Just said on CSN Tony Pena to the Sox.

Pardon me for aiming for better game. Seriously, it's amazing that as cocky as most guys are, they'd settle for anything. For example, any guy who find Paris Hilton "hot" is a sad soul to me. I'm not saying Fox isn't "hot," but too skanky and there's some REAL gorgeous women in Hollywood. Eh, "hot" is overrated anyway.

I'm really surprised the Sox dropped 2 straight to KC after beating Greinke.

WHAT point? "But we win games!" "But there are other bad managers, too!" "But... no! You're just WRONG!" "But... he won us a WS 4 years ago!" Please tell me how any of that is relevant, much less a valid POINT. I mean, come on, it's just ignorant. As I said earlier, winning doesn't always mean you played it right. That's really just common sense.

I understand that. I'm just saying there's no excuses for some of the stupid s*** he does, including the reason this thread was created. I have ALWAYS said I liked Ozzie's attitude, but you have to draw a line somewhere. I think his mis managing of Pods some years ago was where I really started to realize that Ozzie didn't have a clue. I'm NOT saying I would be a better manager, I'm just saying that it takes either an idiot or a man with an agenda to not put BA out in CF in the 9th of a close game or to not call for Morneau to be walked in that situation (and again, laugh all you want, this s*** happens ALL THE TIME with him). Come on, I know YOU would be smart enough to not make those mistakes as I would have been, Rock.

I believe every word. Seriously, it doesn't take a genius to walk Justin Morneau with 2 outs and a first base open with a small lead. THAT'S stupid. It doesn't take a genius to put your best defender in the game in the 9th with a small lead. It doesn't take a genius to pinch run for a slow man on 2nd with 2 outs and the game on the line. It doesn't take a genius to pull a struggling pitcher with nothing left when you're barely ahead. If you're telling me you couldn't figure out how to do this stuff yourself, I feel bad for you. LOL how childish. Again I stand corrected. Another lazy poster with no valid point to make.

You're first sentence is entirely incorrect. Apparently, since I'm adamant about my loathing of Ozzie's mismanagement, that must mean I never appreciate anything good he does. That's what you think? That's incorrect. I'm sorry if my disapproval outweighs my approval. In your eyes every manager's good moves make him a great manager no matter HOW stupid his managing is overall? I never said that. People like to put words in other people's mouths. People are assuming I think Ozzie is to blame for everything. Not true. It's just really frustrating to constantly see f***ups that even I as a casual baseball fan could have done better. And it's not the slightest bit occasional; it happens ALL THE TIME. A good point. That helps back me up even further. A winning record doesn't make the manager/coach good, and this team is a prime example.

He's referring to me. I'm not saying Ozzie shouldn't ever be commended, I'm just fed up with people who have to change the subject, defend Ozzie pointlessly and can't just ADMIT that Ozzie makes a lot of really COLOSSAL f***ups I mean, COME ON, the subject of this topic ALONE is enough showcase of what a dolt Ozzie is.

Ozzie doesn't believe a guy who's CLEARLY a FAR better player than his love child Wise is more deserving? And you are buying into that? Is this a serious post??? No, dude... I'm not an expert... but putting Wise in CF over Anderson in the 9th inning with a 1 run lead is STUPID, and that's a TINY example of the frequent blunders Ozzie commits. He doesn't put his team in the best situations to win... he fails to do this OFTEN. What you're not getting is that I'm not proposing a better idea or what should be done. I'd just appreciate it if instead of trying to argue around facts and make up s*** that someone could just ACKNOWLEDGE that what I'm saying about Ozzie's constant mismanagement is true. We don't need to talk a bout who we should get instead, who's better, what a better situation is, etc. because that's not what I'm talking about. As usual, you as a defender are bringing up irrelevant points. ALL I'M SAYING is that Ozzie is a bad in-game manager, and THAT'S IT; not who is better, not comparisons to other managers, no proposing a situation, just laying out a small fact. THAT'S ALL. /End rant. Continue your denial and arguing around the point as Im sure you will.

Sorry, but I disagree here, although I think the issue isn't as much about how good Anderson is, just the fact that there's no reason for Wise to be playing over him; NONE AT ALL. That's all there is to it.

I stand corrected. I guess I rest my case. There's just no point anymore. Denial is not a river in the Amazon. I don't see how asking people to actually make a VALID POINT is being "insulting" or "pushing a line." You'll have to explain that one to me. Again, as another poster here said, I'm waiting for someone to add something to the discussion instead of blind praise for a man who has clearly showed his ignorance, ineptness and incompetence in his managing. Ok, yeah, we have a good record in the last 5 years or so, we won a series, we won the division MIRACULOUSLY last year. But yet that has NOTHING to do with the simple fact he's not that good a manager. Whether some of you believe it or not, it's just changing the subject. JUST BECAUSE YOU WIN DOESN'T MEAN YOU ALWAYS PLAYED IT RIGHT. That's the point. "Yeah, but we won!" doesn't mean it was played well. The term "winning ugly" was invented for a reason. It seems kinda like this around here: Ozzie's managing is atrocious! "Other managers are bad too, so it's okay!" Ozzie's being a complete idiot! "But we won, so no, he's a GREAT manager!" So as I said, stop with the "Well, we win games!" it may be true but in the end it has nothing to do with the point. I'm just saying that Ozzie's managing is atrocious. Somehow in many of your minds that simply isn't true because of our overall record. All you are doing is denying the truth and changing the subject.

I think you just glumly and SEVERELY downplayed the situation. BA isn't anything to be happy about? I really just don't understand people sometimes.

Yeah, I haven't been able to watch many games lately, but when I have I think, "Where the hell is Getz?" So can someone fill me in on what's up with that? Hopefully not ANOTHER Ozzie blunder.

Me neither. But there's a difference between being negative and being REALISTIC. REALISM is that Ozzie mismanages this team and its players as if he WANTED to get fired.

So why would he make that promise to one of the worst players in our organization and not to the guy/guys who actually deserves it? This makes ZERO sense.

... STILL waiting for someone to say something with a valid point. Using other managers in comparison is NOT a valid argument. Seriously, have any of you even finished puberty? I used to think of this as a more intelligent fan site, but the more time that goes by it's amazing how braindead some people can be. "I can't make a valid argument, so I think I'll argue around the argument and use cop-outs!" LOL nice.

Yeah, let's credit every success of the team to Ozzie. The Sox barely and miraculously won a s*** division in 08, so Ozzie must be good, right? LOL! Let's ignore the SIMPLE FACT that Ozzie terribly mismanages this team and keeps holding back BA to trot crap out there every day. Seriously, if I had a dollar for every frankly STUPID thing I saw Ozzie do I'd be rich and I'm not kidding. As someone else said earlier in the thread, it sounds stupid but even I could manage a game better, and that's saying something. Keep living in denial and ignoring valid points while failing to make any of your own, though. It's just more amusing. Seriously, you, like all Ozzie defenders, have NOTHING to back up your senseless defense of a terrible manager.

Amen.

Don't let the fact that the division sucked in 08 HORRIBLY skew your thinking. Seriously, the only defensive cases I hear for Ozzie are not only irrelevant but frankly pathetic. I mean, do people like you even pay ATTENTION to the games? Ozzie is such an atrocious in-game manager it's ridiculous. Same goes for BA's defense. BA indeed plays GG D. Nice job not even addressing the topic at hand, BTW.