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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 01:28 PM) How many rings do they have with them? How many players from the Santana trade are in the bigs? Did they just trade a top catching prospect for Matt Capps? Again, they're not some mythical beast of a team that pulls miracles every year. They're an average team that hasn't been able to compete anywhere outside of the typically s***ty AL central for over a decade. Winning the division is not success to me. Competing in the playoffs is, and they can't. Then if they're so s***ty why is it so hard for us to beat them out for the division most of the time?

QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 01:07 PM) Duensing has had 5 starts. I think it's a little premature to say he's completely stabilized their rotation. I'd swap him for Freddy in a heart beat. But that's not saying much since I'd take just about any starter over him the rest of the way. Thank you for the first half but this guy is going to kill us the rest of the way.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 11:31 AM) We always play interleague in the first half.... Check out our AL only 1st half vs. AL only 2nd half since 2008. Obviously, in 2004-2007 the story is different, but over the last three years the AL only records are nearly identical splits. 2010: 37-38 / 16-15 2009: 33-37 / 34-40 2008: 42-35 / 35-33 Total: 112-110 (.505) / 85-88 (.491) More proof that Ozzie just needs to go manage in the NL where his style is more effective.

QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:57 AM) I'm tired of running into outs. No more Ozzie please. Thanks for reminding me. Updated my previous post.

Some of the reasons I am tired of Ozzie include: - Repeated instances of lineups that make no sense - Disregard for using any statistical analysis for lineup or bullpen decisions - Falls in love with players that should play no more than once every 10 days and plays them at near full time status - General consensus around the league that he's a manager that people don't want to play for. Might be part of the reason why so many NTCs have been enacted against us - Obsession with building an NL style ball club in the AL and in a park that is built for power hitters - The stats in my sig

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:42 AM) What's the use? We all know that Ozzie isn't going anywhere next year unless he chooses to go elsewhere. I know that but I'm asking what you would like to see happen.

I am not a fan at all and wouldn't mind seeing a new skipper next season regardless of what happens these last few weeks (unless we win it all ).

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:57 AM) What'd I do?! You keep farting in here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:52 AM) Going way back to 2000, that season 100% defined slipping and crawling into the playoffs and peaking early. So that's the question, why? What is it that allows other teams, usually the Twins, to peak in the last two months? (Yes, I know, we "peaked" the last week of 2005 and into the playoffs, we "peaked" for 3 days in late September, 2008). I think it's been mentioned in a few scattered posts but our farm system has a lot to do with it. We rarely have guys that can come in and fill in for an injured player or add value when the September call ups arrive. I have to believe that is a big factor. And is there something with our strength and conditioning program that doesn't prepare our guys for the long haul? Or are we acquiring players that tend to fade quicker? I don't know.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:46 AM) The 2004 White Sox also had Freddy Garcia for the second half and Jose Contreras from August on. Garcia wasn't anything special and Contreras was bad, however, Loaiza had put up an ERA of 6.04 in his final 11 starts with the Sox, and wound up pitching to the tune of about an ERA of 8.50 with the Yankees. They'd also reacquired Carl Everett, Rowand and Uribe had great years, Lee had his best season as a member of the Sox, Konerko put together a great, full season for the first time in his career, Gload was great...I won't argue that they weren't banged up or anything to nature, just that, even without Thomas or Ordonez, they still weren't a bad team. The 2007 White Sox may have also played their best baseball in September, but they also played their worst baseball in August. During that time frame, they went 9-20. And, just because they were a bad team doesn't mean you can automatically discount their contribution to the White Sox ineptitude during the second half of seasons over the past 6 years. If you can do that, then I can discount the 2005 White Sox second half record simply because they were a good team. Looking further into the 2005 season, the Sox were a worse team in the second half than they were in the first half by 110 points (57-29 for a .663, 42-34 for a .553). Perhaps they played over their head in the first half, but I'd also say that they played worse than their talent (or productivity) level in the second half. Again, just because they were a good team doesn't mean we can suddenly ignore that they were not nearly as good as they were early on. Throughout Ozzie Guillen's tenure as manager, his teams have historically performed worse in the second half than they did in the first half. There is no evidence to the contrary. That is sig worthy.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:37 AM) Gimme a break on that one. The 2004 Sox losing Thomas and Ordonez is like the 2010 Twins losing Mauer and Morneau. The Sox might have had a shot to survive one of those 2...they had other guys, Lee and Konerko in the lineup who could pick up some of the slack, but there's zero teams in baseball where losing their 2 best players wouldn't murder them. Yankees losing ARod and Tex? Rays losing Longoria and Price? Hamilton and Guerrero for the Rangers? Pujols and Holliday? Votto and (I guess) Phillips? Konerko still had 41 HRs, Crede had 21, Valentin had 30 and El Caballo had 31. It's not like we were all of a sudden the 2010 Mariners. EDIT: And Rowand had 24 HRs. That team was stacked even without Thomas and Maggs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:29 AM) When you look at the years though...in 2004, the Sox were without their 2 biggest bats for the full 2nd half of the year. 2005, check. 2007...they were a bad team the full year, and Hell, they might have been better in September than they were at any other point that yera. 2008, above .500. Basically, it comes down, so far, to 2006 and 2009 being the years where they were unusually bad in the 2nd half. You can't just make injury excuses for bad 2nd halves. Every team has injuries including the Twins with their all star Morneau.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 07:52 PM) On another note, how pathetic is it that the Genius thingy from iTunes is recommending Justin Bieber for me? Next time turn your web cam off. They probably saw the Bieber poster on your wall as you were searching for new tunes.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 07:04 AM) I'm coming in from New York for the series. We just got tickets on stubhub yesterday FWIW Ditto. Got tickets for the Sunday game.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 11:58 PM) Didn't you also say back in April or May that you didn't have anything to look forward to sports-wise until next baseball season because the Sox are out of it and the Raiders will suck next year? It really is amazing how selective some posters' memories are. This is truly a special season for White Sox fans, how many teams' fans get a chance to give up on their team three times in one season? *calls 911 to log a stalking complaint*

And the Twins would have been that much worse off without Thome....especially with this Morneau thing.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 04:34 PM) I can't stand the love for the twins. They haven't done jack s*** in almost 2 decades. I don't care about division titles, I want playoff wins and in the last decade 12>5 last I checked. You can't get playoff wins by sitting at home and watching.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 04:27 PM) I was a Saber hater a couple years ago. It was just too much thinking for me. I'm a brotha. And brothas don't like to think. The traditional stats were so much easier to understand. But I must say, I've become a semi-Saber lover (mostly because I understand most of them now). I wouldn't get down and have sex with them like chw42. But they're good for the game and are great at breaking down individual seasons and the true talent level and value of players. I've heard of his legendary all night orgies with FIP, UZR, and xBABIP.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 04:24 PM) No there is a better chance they pitch well, but they have no offensive support actually. I wouldn't say 'no offensive support'. Just terribly inconsistent as of late.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 04:21 PM) Welcome to 2010. How do you not know this? That stat alone might net him the Cy Young. I knew it was high but haven't followed closely in the last few weeks. That is just unheard of. We're talking XBox type numbers.

Cliff Lee with a 15.22 K/BB ratio. WHAT?!?!

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 04:06 PM) From you of all people! Hey now. I'm not the douche that many portray me as.

Have a great one fellas!!

QUOTE (scotty22hotty @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 03:19 PM) people worried obviously didn't follow '05 and '08... or most of this season. obviously

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 16, 2010 -> 01:08 PM) The Motorola Droid 43 -- err, 2 -- made it's debut late last week and is apparently plagued by worse reception problems than any phone in history. You'd think that in light of the recent iPhone4 controversy, that Motorola/Verizon went out of their way to make fun of, that they would have went out of their way to make sure something like this wouldn't happen... Doh!