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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 4, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) Also, who's gonna pay for it? All spending is good spending. we can just print the money.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 2, 2009 -> 08:31 PM) Barackus the Great

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jul 4, 2009 -> 03:55 PM) . I know of one that blocked email There was some guy I worked with that wanted email banned. He was old and couldn't really figure how to use it, so it took him forever to get anything done, and would send out emails to lists of people on accident. Dude wanted to go back to paper pushing. He retired.

QUOTE (Chet Lemon @ Jul 4, 2009 -> 11:26 AM) I still think she has the best shot at the 2012 GOP Pres. nomination should she enter the race. From what I can tell she really has no chance, and this bizarro move will end what little hope she had.

LOL Palin is such an idiot

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 1, 2009 -> 05:44 PM) I am sure in some cases, big companies (like GM for example) will get money for these things. And some will do what you are saying, but others will do better. Either way, the money will be tagged in many cases for certain uses. But, there are plenty of smaller ones getting money for this. Here is one example of both: Tesla and other electric and alternative car tech companies got big money recently for their work (via loans and grants), but Ford and biggies got some too. It will go both ways here, which is ideal - larger companies with more complete abilities to produce, smaller ones for niche markets. And note the Ford and Nissan money is specifically geared to go to US plants and jobs - what I was saying earlier. Also, the stimulus bill has given out numerous chunks of cash for new solar panel technologies, panel manufacturing, parts and supplies, etc., to fuel projects like this BLM solar study area thing that was just announced. Most of that goes to small companies because in the US, only small companies make them at this point, though big companies like DuPont make components of it. It won't be black and white, and unfortunately, some of what you predict will happen. But lots of money is going to fostering the little ones too, the innovators. That doesn't mean necessary success, but not funding them means we get inferior products anyway, but we get them from overseas, and then we're toast. Perhaps the pessimism of my first post created a smoke screen around my intended message: that the work needs to be done by the US population for there to be a green jobs boost to the economy and we need to encourage innovation.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 1, 2009 -> 02:15 PM) I disagree. I have worked in tech for a decade (financial tech), and there is definitely a way these things tend to go. Sure, there are exceptions, but if the money goes to US companies (as it will from this stiumulus and energy spending), a lot will stay here. Not all, but it doesn't need to be all. In a sense, that IS protectionist of course, as you are channeling the money very specifically, probably with certain requirements attached. But hey, if people want to try to get water from a sand dune, and try to build up heavy manufacturing of already-existing technologies, go right ahead. You'll fail in a hurry most likely. This is the best way to go - getting in front. If someone has a better suggestion on how to create higher paying jobs and compete a world market that has lower costs than us, let me know. I fear this is going to happen to the 'green collar' boom of jobs. First, a major US corporations will get the project due to a strong lobby effort. They will then use the cheapest possible labor, building inferior products, but we'll be stuck with them. This is not going to produce any groundbreaking technology. As far as innovation, I totally agree with you. I have seen the decline groundbreaking work and relative quality of the technology products engineered by US companies for a while; with exception of the likes of Apple and such. The problem here is that corportations are given so many handouts and advantages, with no incentive to actually be good at what they do. Just look at the amazing breakthroughs we had in the 80's and 90's. Having a lot of the talent raised in the United States out of the loop in the mathemtatical sciences due to the fact that outsourcing has damaged the prospects of a great career, the best and brightest will often avoid the mathematical sciences. I truly believe the United States needs to get back in and innovate once again. If you think I am advocating taking steps backward, you are incorrect.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 1, 2009 -> 07:58 AM) They will eventually, yes. But not at first. And being there first is big money, all up front, then residual on the back end from patents and management - high level design and engineering jobs, managing the outsourced work. Thats not true for most high level companies. Maybe some small mom & pop shops. I worked at a major world tech leader for a number of years, I know what they'll do. The upfront money will not mainly go into US jobs, it's gonna go straight to offshore R/D as it's cheaper. R/D is really trending to an offshore model. Big upfront money is just more potential profit, hiring US workers is not going to be on the radar. As far as managing outsourced work, yea thats great for someone like me but s***ty for the millions of people who lose their jobs. I guess I need to get with the program and be as greedy as possible only thinking about myself. Maybe I can work at AIG. I'm telling you, that the 'green collar' job boom will never happen unless there are protectionist measures put in place. On another sad note, we are going over 10% unemployment very soon. The June numbers were worse than expected. lost around another 450,000 jobs http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=a5utvno88qDM

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 07:46 PM) Fascinating report here in terms of job creation and environmental policy. Over the last 8 years, the U.S. has gone from an exporter of environmental equipment and technology to an importer of it. In their data, this is heavily due to manufacturing of electrical equipment, i.e. wind turbines, solar panels, biofuels, and high-tech pollution management equipment etc. moving from being built in the U.S. to being built overseas, particularly in Europe. I wonder what happened around year 2000 that made things change? The sad thing is I believe the Green Collar jobs that are being promised to people will likely end up being outsourced. Research / Development, engineering, tech installation, back office work, book keepign, ect are all areas targeted for outsourcing. A corporation could even bring in outsourcing companies to install solar panels and windmills.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 08:43 PM) How much they hate playing for Ozzie.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 07:18 PM) deliberately turning a blind eye while your subordinates order torture however, is a war crime. so about 90% of the Senate Dems are war criminals, along with 100% of the Republican Senators

BECKHAM LOL

the Cubs are hilarious

uh oh

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 07:21 PM) Ok these guys are really making it fun to watch Sox games again. indeed

YES!

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 07:16 PM) If creating a pie chart for who/whats responsible for Beckham's ability, what sliver of the pie are you ready to give for 'white sox org' ? uh oh here we go. sure link a pie chart with little league, high school, and college at bats. argue that he didn't come form the sox farm system. fun fun. or maybe watch the sox and comment on the game in game thread.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 07:09 PM) emm.. He comes from our system in the same way Kevin Garnett is a Chicagoan stupid

4-1

QUOTE (Cowch @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 06:54 PM) It's almost strange having a hitter like Beckham on the Sox. I like seeing someone who can actually hit the gaps wherever they may be. nice to see a player come from our system without the loopy slow swing.

ROPED 4-0 sox Beckham is really impressive

yeeeees

1-0 sox

who decides whom the 'pick to click' actually was? Hawk? he must cause he's always in the lead.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 30, 2009 -> 06:19 PM) Whatever happened to Bevo? last i heard he was managing in the minors or something