IlliniKrush

QUOTE(SnB @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 12:58 PM) i'm done belIeving. that was a joke last night. How you believed past last week is beyond me

QUOTE(zenryan @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 01:01 AM) I am not going to defend the Miami players for fighting. They should have never been running onto the field like that to start with, they know better than that.. but... I just love how its Miami's fault. There are two teams on that field, and if anyone saw any of the game then they would know that FIU was instigating the whole thing from the opening kick off. Just about every play there was a FIU player trying to start something. From piling up after plays, to pushing and shoving, getting slapped in the back of the head and elbows being thrown on a safety after he makes an INT and gets tackled. I also find it funny that no one on tv is talking about the FIU player swinging his crutches around at Miami players, just Reddick using his helmet as a weapon. and one of the commentators was Lamar Thomas. he played in the thug years and he is part of Miami that Butch Davis and Coker are trying to get away from. Miami has a reputation. Furthermore, no one cares about FIU in the college football world.

I'm surprised the Miami players didn't pull out their guns

So they are showing highlights of this brawl on ESPN (which included helmet whacking and kicking), and i'm lmao at the on-screen scoreboard...next to the time and score, it says "FLAG" You think?

So in the blink of an eye, Weber did something on Thursday night to make Gordon suddenly and surprisingly pick IU. Um, no...regardless of what you are trying to 'honestly' tell us. BTW, i think it's fine to get on Weber for missing out on recruits...i just don't think people should use this as the main subject matter. I don't think it's as 'inexcusable' you think, considering all the circumstances, but that's just me.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 06:59 PM) That's because he was, and the fact that Weber still lost him says all I need to know about his recruiting. Hi Mr. Gordon, welcome to soxtalk

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 07:30 PM) Undebateable now, since SIU won by 7 at Indy and Iowa lost by 7. But what does this say about Illinois State, who DESTROYED the Dawgs in Normal today? Don't tell me you actually subscribe to this logic Huge brawl in the Miami game...go figure

That was epic

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 04:46 PM) And he was in the running for the Sox radio gig. Cue the Singelton sucks post. And since I'm hijacking, I will input now. Farmer is worse. Agreed. Singleton has some potential, farmer is just annoying.

Hooray Iowa football...apparently Iowa fans didn't rush the field after this one

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 02:29 AM) The hockey game got me pumped for basketball season to start. Ugh, cmon Keith...hang with us here

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 01:55 AM) And wasnt Gordon committed to the Illini and usually when a player makes a commitment isnt he considered off limits. And than the coach from Indiana went and recruited him anyways Correct. And it's frowned upon by Big Ten coaches, aka no one does it. But Sampson does what he wants. "The appearance of Indiana's recruiting a committed player irked Weber. The issue came up at the Big Ten meetings last spring. Michigan coach Tommy Amaker and Michigan State coach Tom Izzo, who saw committed player Eric Devendorf change his mind and go to Syracuse, were outspoken on the subject." "In football, it's always been known to be open game, but that hasn't been the case with us," Weber said this summer when Gordon was getting attention from Indiana. "If you have a kid [orally] committed, then for that eight or nine months you don't recruit anyone else. So you lose all that time recruiting other kids, because you have one committed. Ask 98 percent of the coaches, and they'll tell you that they stop calling kids once they [orally commit]. We do. Most do it."

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 01:00 AM) I agree that it will be much tougher than it would have been. But in the grand scheme of things, you can't really blame a 17-yr old who is doing what he thinks is best for him in the long run. It hurts, just as if it were losing a key employee to a competitor, but at the end of the day everyone has to look out for themselves. I don't know the depth of the Illinois roster that well, but teams are not made up of one recruiting class (with rare exceptions). Surely, they can find a way to survive if they can't get a SG this class?? While i understand your sentiment, i put this on the dad more than the kid. I honestly think that if he chose where he went, it would have been illinois. This whole 'business' side of recruiting with his dad and alumni had a huge impact on this recruitment, i believe. There's so many sides to this recruitment/overall recruiting it makes my head spin. The only positive to take from this is it opens up a scholly to use on a guy who may stay here 3-4 years...if gordon stays for one, it's not as huge a loss. I'm not saying it's not a loss, but it's not as bad. The next few years of recruiting will be huge for us. It's almost at the point where we need to go after all 4 stars and some 3's. If a 5 shows interest, don't go ga-ga over him...either get the kid to come here or just back off him, no in betweens, if that makes sense. You can't let kids hold your program by the proverbial balls.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 12:45 AM) I only agree with you that it may be impossible to "immediately" switch to Plan B. But if there is no Plan B or Plan C, for that matter, in the works then something is wrong. He has to have other options in his mind. Options he has at least begun to explore before last week. I agree with you...and i highly doubt Weber has no plan in place. However, it's hard to get certain recruits when they think Gordon's going here to fill a spot, you know? Also, there's such little time left before signing day. That's why it is a Plan C, or D, or whatever, at this point.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 12:07 AM) We have our disagreements, but I'll agree with you there. I continued to believe he was going to Illinois, until I heard concrete evidence otherwise. However, since about August or so, it's really felt like it was a 50/50 on where he'd end up. I know you did, and that was probly the right attitude to have...but the longer it went, the more i thought Gordon was going to IU. Honestly, i thought it was about 90/10 come today. I think everyone involved in this whole thing did a terrible job, from Weber to Sampson to Gordon and especially his dad. Like i said earlier, i just wish this was handled differently so we wouldn't be left so high and dry. I can understand the reasons and the process behind picking IU, i'm not really too upset over that stuff.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 13, 2006 -> 11:45 PM) I don't think people realize how locked in Gordon was to Illinois. If Bruce hadn't treated him like a current player and stopped doing any recruiting of Gordon once he verballed, he never leaves. And before the Bruce defenders say it, you don't assume the recruit is yours until the LOI is signed. It's not illegal to recruit a oral commit, and Sampson got it done, but if Bruce had kept on the trail of Gordon, he goes to Illinois. I'm not buying this explanation for one minute, and i don't think any IU fans do either, for that matter. To say Gordon was 'locked' is beyond wrong.

Dusty Baker is part of the BBTN crew. LMAO

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 13, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) This disaster is a Bruce Weber production (with help from Gordon and his dad, but only to a certain extent)

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 13, 2006 -> 09:40 PM) 7. Once it became evident Gordon was looking at IU, none of this should be a surprise (nor would it have been if he stayed). The family never shut the door on the possibility of going to IU so you knew it was possible. Whether he "decommitted" or did what he did, Weber should have had Plan B scenarios working behind the scenes. In fact, I'd be shocked if he doesn't. That would be the biggest criticism I could have for Weber is if he were just sitting back with no backup plan. Tupper says: So what happens now? Part of the problem for Weber is that many recruiting decisions have been made based on Gordon’s commitment 11 months ago. Other shooting guards have backed away, and some have been passed over, knowing Gordon would play every possible minute. So it’s impossible to instantly switch to Plan B.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 11, 2006 -> 06:13 PM) He's going to IU, and everyone knows it. I hate being right. I only wish Gordon could have handled this better, regardless of where he ended up. The Gordon's handled this extremely poorly.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 12, 2006 -> 12:13 AM) I think we both knew he'd have trouble against Verlander but ya as you said his last bat in particularly wasn't very impressive. He had a few great ones to mash. I thought the first pitch was money, indeed.

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It's just my gut feeling more than anything, it just makes too much sense for us to lose out on him. We'll see

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He's going to IU, and everyone knows it.