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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 10:08 AM) He may also have seen that no one has actually said anything remotely like supporting his rhetoric. Let me clarify then the impression I get. You might not be condoning the stuff that he says but you are challenging the validity of it. When I post something that I clearly say is my opinion and I have Obama supporters jump all over me for a source or to question the context of what was said its almost as if youre acting as if my opinion is on trial and you are Wrights attorney making sure I havent made my assumptions prematurely and that all my opinions are 100% valid. However, my opinion isnt on trial and to be honest its just as valid as anyone elses in the thread and just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean that its wrong. There is more evidence to prove this guy is racist than there is evidence to prove he isnt so for you to question anybody elses opinions because you dont agree with them and act as if this is a Supreme Court trial and people cant draw conclusions unless they can be proven beyond a reasonable is wrong. In reality this is a message board and when people discuss something like this and it gets heated as it always will an administrators opinions dont automatically become the right opinions and not one person in this thread has any more credibility in terms of what people use to come to them than anyone else.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 07:13 PM) I'm glad you guys all like this Rev Wright guy so much. Just a little warning, the guy has more stuff coming down the pipes. A lot of anti-semitic stuff. But I'm sure some of you will support such remarks as well. Unfortunately for Obama, most voters don't agree with this kind of rhetoric. Obviously you havent read through this thread because you clearly would have seen that logic isnt a prerequisite.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 06:28 PM) re-read your post - you say that the quotes "weren't taken out of context". How do you know? How much of this guys sermons have you seen? No one is contending that his words in the videos are not racist. They are, and they are terrible things for someone to say. It may mean that Rev Wright is a racist slimeball. Or, it may mean that in his 20 years of sermonizing, he's said a few stupid things - kind of like all the rest of us. If you can't see that distinction, then I think you need to look up the definition of the word "context". Then try the phrase "jumping to conclusions". No one is saying he ISN'T a racist... they are saying that he MIGHT be. IMO this is very close to acting as an apologist.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 09:21 PM) What are you talking about? I assume the "nobody has talked about this guy at all" thing is sarcasm, but, my point was, most people have gotten over it one way or another. They made their judgement, and life goes on. They decided its irrelevant, or decided it makes them think less of Obama, or whatever. Therefore, most people don't care anymore. And despite your protestations otherwise, I have seen no one here be an apologist for Rev Wright. I wasnt drudging up old news or anything. Its something new that came out tonight so I added it to the thread and you decided to throw in that nobody cares like Im harping on something from the past.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 09:00 PM) I doubt most people care. Youre probably right. Nobody has talked about this guy at all. Out of all the people to be an apologist for I honestly dont get it?

Rev. Wright Slurs Italians In 2007 Eulogy CHICAGO -- He's made controversial comments about the U.S. government as well as Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor -- has come under fire once again, NBC5's Rob Stafford reported. Wright's latest controversy comes from a eulogy he wrote for Asa Hilliard. The article appeared in a November/December 2007 edition of Trumpet, a magazine run by Wright's daughters. He was quoted as calling Italians "garlic noses" and saying Jesus' crucifixion was "a public lynching Italian-style." The comments were written before Obama publicly denounced other controversial statements by Wright. On behalf of the Joint Civic Committee of Italian Americans, Domnic DiFrisco spoke about Wright's statements. He said he was "saddened by the words of a purported Christian minister." Chicago's Italian American Human Relations Foundation called the comments an example of hatred, but member Louis Raygo said he does not hold Obama responsible. "Do I blame him for the words of somebody else? No. And this doesn't come as an endorsement of Mr. Obama or a non-endorsement. I just don't like guilt by association," Raygo said. In a Thursday interview with CNBC's Maria Bartiromo, Obama called new stories about Wright a distraction. "Part of what I hope to do in this campaign and as president is to get us beyond these divisions that distract us from our common challenges and our common opportunities and move the country forward," Obama said. But on Wednesday, Obama, speaking to a crowd of supporters, appeared to defend Wright. "This was somebody who was preaching three sermons a week for 30 years and so it got boiled down -- they found five or six of his most offense statements," Obama said. DiFrisco, who supports Obama, said that if the senator doesn't do more to separate himself from Wright, he'll lose votes from Italian Americans. "Barack Obama is being closely linked to a man who spews hatred. And it is so unlike his character that we need to know why he didn't change pews earlier," DiFrisco said.

Just saw a blurb for the 10 NBC news that Wright said something new and theyll talk about it on the news. ANyone know what it is?

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) Seriously, read what I wrote. Was green really necessary DB? I think not Well you would like to think in a thread of this topic that people can look past the color of the text and comprehend it by the manner in which the text was used.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 08:47 PM) Why hello, Mr. Obvious! Damn nongreen users and your mind tricks.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 08:31 PM) What does the man have against Opera? Does he fall asleep during the solos? Doesnt like fat ladies singing? Does he hate music as much as america? I think he means Oprah...Im assuming it was ungreen sarcasm though

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 06:28 PM) re-read your post - you say that the quotes "weren't taken out of context". How do you know? How much of this guys sermons have you seen? No one is contending that his words in the videos are not racist. They are, and they are terrible things for someone to say. It may mean that Rev Wright is a racist slimeball. Or, it may mean that in his 20 years of sermonizing, he's said a few stupid things - kind of like all the rest of us. If you can't see that distinction, then I think you need to look up the definition of the word "context". Then try the phrase "jumping to conclusions". No one is saying he ISN'T a racist... they are saying that he MIGHT be. I would agree if Obama had a different reaction. Even he said that he had heard the pastor say the stuff and tried to separate himself from his views. There hasnt been contention of anything that the man has said by anyone. I didnt even think the mans views were what was being debated as much as Obamas relationship to him. Can you honestly say you cant draw any conclusions about the man based on everything that has transpired since the tapes got out?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 07:54 AM) And there it is - the death of common sense on this topic. Its not like the guy is trying to hide his opinions. He is blatantly saying racist things and criticizing the country and my point is that the quotes werent taken out of context. How can anyone not realize that guy is racist after watching that clip for a minute? Im not trying to say I know anything about him outside of him being a pastor but it doesnt take much to draw conclusions about what his thoughts are on race.

I think Elizabeth Banks might be a bit of a reach.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:47 PM) I think I've had enough of this now Game blouses

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) I guess that all depends on whether you actually think everything Wright stands for is fully represented in a short collection of 30-second video clips, and you extrapolate that over a period of 20 years. I can draw enough conclusions from that idiots whole life in a minute of those clips. Are you trying to say those clips were taken out of context? Did big bad Fox news edit them to make them sound worse? Or did even Obama himself acknowledge that Wright is racist and try to separate himself from his views?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:22 PM) Perhaps you can enlighten us with your extensive race relations background. Have you read anything in the thread or do you just jump in to not contribute

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) Since when was Elmhurst a hotbed of racial tension? Also, Im glad to see youre making the same contribution to this thread as everyone else. Everyone else abandoned the issue and you feel the need to make light of a topic based on where I live now. Maybe you should also pick up some literature from Harriet Beecher Stowe. Watching MTV rock the vote doesnt make you qualified to condone racism.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:13 PM) I went to Whitney Young. But I didn't get in there because I had good grades or test scores, I made sure I told them I had a black mother about 4 or 5 times so I could be sure I got in. I know that in my going, a white kid who had near-perfect grades didn't get in. Good for me. F*** him. I'm a minority and I'm entitled to it. Finally a moment of clarity. At least you acknowledged it.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) Since when was Elmhurst a hotbed of racial tension? Well, I went to college, got a job and bought a condo in Elmhurst. Thats not where I grew up or was raised. Thanks for your concern.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:36 PM) I'm curious to know where you're going with this Im saying that I think you have no right to say anything is handed to people because theyre white an make it sound like black people have two strikes against them coming out of the womb when you have stated that none of the things listed as hurdles for the black community have ever applied to you. However, when I say I never had these bulls*** advantages and in all actuality I have lived through the stereotypes you are trying to portray as black problems and overcame them but since Im white it doesnt count. Now when I ask what high school you went to its because I want to know if you are credible enough to make the claims you have because of life experiences and not because its tolerated because of the color of your skin. Thats what racism is. Thats where the double standard lies and you are in no position to criticize my thoughts or opinions or even life experiences because you havent been through any of it. Who is the one thats racist when Im trying to form opinions based on what people have been through in their lives and you are making assumptions of people based on the color of their skin?

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 07:09 PM) You're the one asserting that. Give me a source. Actually the quote you questioned wasnt from me but I have no interest in doing research for you on a topic that isnt even under scrutiny because even Obama supporters acknowledged the type of relationship Obama had with Wright. All youve done in this thread is criticized other peoples opinions and asked for sources because you dont even know the facts of the debate. There isnt a shred of contribution from you in this discussion.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:25 PM) The students. Because they are all stupid. What high school did you go to again?

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:25 PM) The students. Because they are all stupid. I went to a public school in a poor neighborhood and managed to go to college. Schooling isnt a race issue, its an economic issue. There are people of every creed in those neighborhoods.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:21 PM) lol a guy broke into my house once. I'm an expert on home break-ins Also, I think it's pretty bad ass that you completely dismissed everything I said a couple posts ago that explained how the type of thing that happened to your brother ends up happening. But nevermind, you're the "expert." Go spread your gospel. I couldn't possibly have a point.Like I said, I'm done. This is getting nowhere and I have better things to do. Youve clearly stated in this thread that you have never been a victim of blatant racism. If you dont think what happened to my brother was racist thats one thing, but if you disagree with AA as you say you do then I am very qualified to vent on the subject. To be perfectly honest, a lot more credible than you.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 04:12 PM) See, it's not that simple. Schools in minority neighborhoods tend to suck. Bad. Whos fault is that?