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Also, to save you the trouble, what I mean by the quote you posted from me is that I will beleive her when she says she got into college because of affirmative action than to an Obama supporter on a message board

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 02:48 PM) Buy you claimed that Michelle Obama admitted it and that you believed her word over a campaign surrogate. ya, the bolded text is what she said in the interview and later in the article a "campaign spokesperson" said it was because she was a legacy. Anybody that isnt going to take what she said more seriously than a spokesperson whos job is to spin negative things that can hurt the campaign is seriously delusional.

Newsweek good enough proof for you? Michelle felt the tension acutely enough that she made it the subject of her senior sociology thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community." The paper is now under lock and key, but according to the Chicago Sun-Times, Michelle wrote that Princeton "made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before." She wrote that she felt like a visitor on the supposedly open-minded campus. "Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton," she wrote, "it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second." (Today, Michelle says, not quite convincingly, that she can't remember what was in her thesis.) She didn't share such concerns with her parents, who were proud of their college-bound children. "She didn't talk about it a lot," says her mother, Marian. "I just learned from reading some articles that she did feel like she was different from other people. But she never let that bother her." Instead, Michelle was determined to prove that no matter how she got there, she deserved her place in the class: she graduated with departmental honors and was accepted to Harvard Law School. At Harvard, she felt the same racial divide. Verna Williams and Michelle became friends in their first year of law school. She remembers many of their fellow black students worrying that white classmates viewed them as charity cases. But she suggests Michelle was not among them. "She recognized that she had been privileged by affirmative action and she was very comfortable with that," Williams recalls.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 02:41 PM) Can you provide a quote or link that CLEARLY states what you are claiming? Ya, Ive posted it three times in this thread so whats one more...

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 01:51 PM) You are correct. Apparently she's doing her best to make sure that Obama has a 10% chance of beating McCain. and people wonder why theyve lost the last 2 elections and are going to lose this one. How stupid do you have to be to sabotage your own party because of the slight chance you can get the nomination.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 05:47 AM) Is anyone actually told "you got in because of affirmative action?" How would anyone except the admissions office know? Clearly she said that was how she got into college in that Newsweek interview and then a campaign spokesperson tried to do damage control. You guys can sugar coat it all you want but Ill take her word over an Obama supporter. I dont know how many of you guys read her thesis but the whole thing almost seems like the theme of it is that she was treated differently because of the color of her skin and that people resente her because of affirmative action. To be perfectly honest, it was rather poorly written considering the school. There are a lot of reviews about the thesis anyone can find online and the majority of them agree that she seems to have a chip on her shoulder because of the means needed to get her into the school.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 01:54 AM) I just think you should be careful tossing around the word racist. Says who? If I feel someone to be racist and I express it thats my prerogative and it has nothing to do with you.

I saw this on the news. Its gotta be one of the most pointless protests ever. They shouldnt even put it on the news to give them the satisfaction.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 06:29 PM) The next 8 years of your life are going to be miserable with a huge racist running the show. I dont like McCains policy on immigration either but I dont know if its bad enough to label him a racist.

I rented Assassins Creed and MLB 2K8. I like AC a lot more than I thought I would but the games on 2k8 take way too long.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 05:17 PM) Quite so, thank you - which is why I am glad I continued reading into the next graf... Seems she got in for a different non-academic reason - legacy. In any case, there doesn't seem to be any way to know if she got in that way or not. For the record, I personally disagree with affirmative action, as I think it causes more harm than good. But in this case, it seems she may or may not have gotten in that way. And again, as said earlier, there was no indication of this in his speech that I can find or recall. Also, I forgot to address this but do you realize that SHE personally said in the interview that she got into Princeton because of affirmative action but a CAMPAIGN SPOKESPERSON said otherwise? Is that seriously what you tried to use to combat the argument? Youre going to take a campaign spokespersons word over the actual person and then act like I had been exposed by trying to cover that page up or something.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 05:45 PM) The articles I've read have said that her thesis is under wraps. Do you have a link to it? I'd like to perhaps read parts of it, if its not excessively long. Its pretty long, I could see how it would be hard to find it. Luckily for us Im pretty resourceful despite being so misinformed. I went to a website called Yahoo! Typed in Michelle Obama Thesis in a search bar and then continued to press the enter button. I was then brought to a whole page of results in search of finding the white whale (no pun intended) and low and behold the very first site that came up, politico.com was more than willing to share this once impossible to find document. Since apparently Im one of the few people that read this masterpiece I would recommend page 9ish if you would like to find where I pulled some of my quotes from. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 05:43 PM) To ask the question in a different way...what exactly would an African American have to do in your eyes to not be classified as a racist? From what I can see, you're basically saying that because anyone either the Obama family or the people around them have acknowledged race in any way that you as a white male do not find perfectly appropriate for your community and background you're concluding that they're all racists and are going to send Whitey to concentration camps. Clearly I'm exaggerating the last part, but what exactly are you alleging here? Are you seriously gonna try to twist what I said like that? "theyre all racists?" Give me a break. I said his wife is racist, his Pastor is racist and when he calls someone a typical white person he shows a glimpse of him being racist. Were not talking about a talk show host or an activist. This is a candidate to be the president of the country I live in and all of a sudden my concerns with things that the candidate said regarding race Im "concluding" something? Since Ive drawn some sort of inaccurate conclusion according to you, do you not think his pastor is racist? Were his comments about his grandmother being a "typical white person" not inappropriate and uncalled for? Also, since all of a sudden Im making up the fact that his wife got into college because of affirmative action, lets say for arguments sake she did, then you dont have a problem with her comments about being proud of her country for the first time?

Also, heres a quote pulled right from her senior thesis, try reading between the lines: "Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second." When unqualified blacks are admitted to college because of their race, they'll be black first, students second. This is very sad."

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 05:17 PM) Quite so, thank you - which is why I am glad I continued reading into the next graf... Seems she got in for a different non-academic reason - legacy. In any case, there doesn't seem to be any way to know if she got in that way or not. For the record, I personally disagree with affirmative action, as I think it causes more harm than good. But in this case, it seems she may or may not have gotten in that way. And again, as said earlier, there was no indication of this in his speech that I can find or recall. Almost anybody that has been following this story knows that she benefited from affirmative action but you just seem to not want to believe it. I did a search on google and tons of articles popped up but since most of them were blogs I didnt even bother because I know that isnt the "proof" you wanted. Me being a white male, I personally have a problem with the comments about race from him and the people close to him and Im not scared to discuss them. In his speech he touched on white peoples resentment towards things like affirmative action which was what I was getting at: IMO

Newsweek good enough proof for you? Michelle felt the tension acutely enough that she made it the subject of her senior sociology thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community." The paper is now under lock and key, but according to the Chicago Sun-Times, Michelle wrote that Princeton "made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before." She wrote that she felt like a visitor on the supposedly open-minded campus. "Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton," she wrote, "it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second." (Today, Michelle says, not quite convincingly, that she can't remember what was in her thesis.) She didn't share such concerns with her parents, who were proud of their college-bound children. "She didn't talk about it a lot," says her mother, Marian. "I just learned from reading some articles that she did feel like she was different from other people. But she never let that bother her." Instead, Michelle was determined to prove that no matter how she got there, she deserved her place in the class: she graduated with departmental honors and was accepted to Harvard Law School. At Harvard, she felt the same racial divide. Verna Williams and Michelle became friends in their first year of law school. She remembers many of their fellow black students worrying that white classmates viewed them as charity cases. But she suggests Michelle was not among them. "She recognized that she had been privileged by affirmative action and she was very comfortable with that," Williams recalls.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 01:38 PM) Do you have any evidence of this? Are you serious? You think Im making that up? He even acknowledged it in his speech.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) Also, from your personal perspective, what in that speech was somehow offensive to whites? I just don't get that. I just find it offensive that he is completely trying to play both ends of the spectrum. IMO, he loses credibility by saying he knows what its like to be black and white and trying to empathize with both sides. In all actuality he doesnt completely know what its like to be either. Than he goes on the radio talk show in Philly and explain that what he meant about his grandmother being scared of black people is that she is a typical white person. As I said many times in the thread about his Pastor Im not sold on his explanation of issues about that guy or even his comments about affirmative action in regards to his wife. She got into a college ahead of someone who was more qualified BECAUSE of the color of her skin and then has the audacity to write a senior thesis about overcoming white oppression and say that only recently she was proud of her country even though this countries policy got her into a college ahead of someone else. I just dont want to hear this guy pretend like he knows what its like to be everyone and use that as a ploy to discuss taboos other cant because they will be labeled racist.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 09:36 PM) Of all the things that might blow it for Obama, you think it was his speech? To the contrary, I think that helped him significantly. And the polls seem to reflect that. I thought it would be very difficult for him to win if he got the nomination before that, I just think that he cost himself a lot of votes with the white community. Ive personally met a few people that have completely changed their minds about him in the past few days. I also think once the nomination is solidified for either candidate the republicans are going to unload on. I never understand why the democratic party doesnt understand the negative effect these smear campaigns have on the general election.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 05:50 PM) Both. It's just how polls work. There is typically an "OH MY GOD" reaction, then people actually absorb what happened ann think "well, it isnt THAT bad". And, the speech was pretty darn good. It probably gave him the boost he needed to edge back in front. I think this richardson think might push him all the way to 50% or above. IMO that speech officially cost him the election if he gets the nomination. I would have thought it would be a slam dunk for the dems to pull this election off but I think this race is doing too much harm to either candidate.

I like to go in the first stall closest to the urinals and piss underneath the wall by the persons feet who is at the urinal

Is chapter 2 about people that are loud in theaters.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 12:39 PM) Completely and utterly useless with bad weather. I would always laugh when it snowed or we got ice storms because you could guarantee at least 3 cars in the ditch on the way to school or work. They teach "slam on the brake or gas when roads are icy" at southern illinois DMVs, I am sure of it. Between that and the humidity down there in the summer it can be hell. I remember walking to bars or parties and by the time you got there you were so drenched with sweat that you just wanted to go home. Needless to say people came up with some interesting uses of Goldbond

Ill stick to bashing cops and pretty much every politician

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 07:27 PM) It's not a race issue though. By itself anyway. If you wanna just sit here and bash the government Im game for that