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QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) DB - I'm curious regarding your political stance on social issues. To me, that's the biggest reason to avoid Trump. Take a look at Trump's Supreme Court list and the positions they have taken in the past. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-elec...t-idUSKCN0YA2XV If you are at all concerned about LGBT rights - including the right to marriage - or are concerned about decisions like Citizens United, then I urge you to really look at the difference between Trump and Clinton on those appointments. A lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is a crazy powerful thing... Im very liberal on most social issues. I have been adamantly for gay marriage and LGBT rights for as long as I can remember. While I dont doubt that Hillary would be better for things like that I also am not convinced Trump has any plans to try to stifle the progress theyve made. I might be wrong about that but it isnt something Ive heard people complaining about. The Supreme Court is impossible to be happy with when youre socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Im likely not going to be happy either way. I didnt mind Garland actually but I also did no research into him so I may have missed stuff. I just think that there is pretty much zero chance she doesnt get caught up with this server stuff and get impeached if she wins.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 06:41 PM) HRC's IT guy went to Reddit for help deleting emails from the server. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-0...reddit-for-tips https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comment...amp;sh=ddf3dfb0 I didnt want to post this unless there was iron clad proof this was the same guy but it looks like the internet sleuths have a pretty compelling case. I dont think this will make that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things but they already have more than enough, it just depends how long it takes for everything to come out. Really makes you wonder how bad the stuff in those emails could be to go through all of this trouble.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 05:37 PM) Well, DB did blame that on Clinton (at least tangentially by lumping it in to his original post re: Clinton's many problems). I also don't see anyone in this thread defending the fact that the US bombed the wrong group. It's not the first time this has happened in the last 15 years and, sadly, it probably won't be the last. It's a tragedy, just like it was a tragedy when the US hit the Doctor's Without Borders hospital. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike What's been problematic about those posts is it lays blame for the destabilization of the Middle East at the feet of Obama/Clinton when that's been going on for significantly longer than that. If you are arguing that Obama/Clinton are responsible for the destabilization of the Middle East, or if you are arguing that the US should not intervene in conflicts in the Middle East, you are in fact taking a policy position and should be prepared to defend that position... What is the point of bringing up anything on a forum lol? For discussion. It was part of a bigger post that laid out Clinton/Obama's foreign policy failures amongst other things. This is technically a political forum isnt it?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 05:27 PM) So what exactly do you and Greg want? At least Greg has occasionally supported Sanders and mentioned the other two candidates as possibilities...but it's clear he is more anti-Hillary than pro anyone else, which is his democratic right. I dont want any of them. Its a very frustrating election for me. As I mentioned a few days ago I would have preferred Bernie, or even Biden than any of these people and I really disagree with their politics. My strongest opinion in this election is Id rather have anyone on the planet as President than Hillary Clinton, its just really unfortunate that the only plausible way for that to happen now is with Donald Trump.

More on Blumenthal Libyan Oil, Gold, and Qaddafi: The Strange Email Sidney Blumenthal Sent Hillary Clinton In 2011 Two weeks after France began bombing Libya, in March, 2011, Hillary Clinton's old friend and advisor Sidney Blumenthal passed her an intelligence memo that supposedly revealed France's true — and quite unflattering— motivations for toppling Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi. While France's then-President Nicolas Sarkozy publicly said he wished to free the Libyan people from tyranny, Blumenthal's memo argues that he was driven by a cocktail of less lofty incentives, including a desire for Libyan oil, and a fear that Qaddafi secretly planned to use his vast supply of gold to displace France's primacy in the region. Edit for more Blumenthal http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-g...e102828747.html Asher said Friday and repeated on Monday that Blumenthal did spread the story to him, and that he assigned a reporter to check it out. Blumenthal, who did not have a formal role in the campaign in 2008, denies Asher’s account. Shashank Bengali, who was the McClatchy bureau chief in Nairobi in 2008, confirmed Monday that Asher asked him to look into Obama’s background. He said he did report on several tips as well as the false rumor that Obama was born there, and not in Hawaii. Candidates for president must be native born. “Jim asked me to look into Obama’s ties to Kenya and sent a number of tips to check out and one of the things I looked into was the unfounded rumor that Obama was born in Kenya,” Bengali said, speaking from Afghanistan where he was on assignment for the Los Angeles Times, where he now works. “I don’t have any specific knowledge where that tip would have come from. Jim’s instructions were just to look at everything.” McClatchy has not been able to reach Blumenthal for comment. He worked for both President Bill Clinton and more recently for the Clintons’ charitable foundation.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 05:21 PM) Link? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/15...ntial-race.html From now on take 2 minutes please and go back 2-3 pages where I posted all of these links.

lol youre barking up the wrong tree if you thing Im going to defend Trump. He's said and done plenty of stuff that warrants these attacks. I just think people focusing on the pettier stuff like his taxes and birther is a poor approach because of reasons Ive stated in the other thread. There is plenty of stuff to go at Trump for that is a lot more important than that stuff.

Also, its kind of sad that people arent bothered by the fact that the media is manipulating information to try and influence our presidential election. I know a lot of people around here dont care because it is attempting to help the dems but it is setting a pretty scary precedent. That and the DHS falsifying statistics because they know the real numbers would help Trump in the election.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 05:05 PM) You forget you were the one who mentioned it first? Again, what is the point? Being snippy wont win a lot of arguments. All I brought up was that our military accidentally bombed the Syrian Army killing dozens of soldiers who are fighting AGAINST Isis. I was asked about what I would do in Syria to which I said I have no idea.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) Then what is the point of this discussion? QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Db you've brought up the Syrian thing a couple of times, what are your thoughts on that issue? The us has been funding and supplying anti assad forces for years now, so while it does complicate things with Russia, it's not exactly a new turn. Clearly not reading comprehension

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 04:49 PM) And did Hillary act on this? Can you show me her campaign going around on Twitter claiming it? You don't need to look it up because you no, you can't. You can't show any action, you can only show "doubts". In zero world is actively promoting a lie for years, and riding that wave to power, remotely comparable to having campaign supporters peddling a lie that was never taken up by the head of the campaign or an official action of the campaign. In any other situation, removed from HIllary's name, you would have no problem assessing the situation. When Clinton Joined Obama Administration, Friction Was Over Staff, Not Email https://puu.sh/rh2Cz/3fb5ed0fa1.png Not sure if this link will work and it wont let me copy paste from the NYT. But this is a ways down in the article. Here Are The 23 Classified Memos Sidney Blumenthal Sent To Hillary Clinton

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) I firmly believe if you got rid of religion in the world, that would end a good majority of conflict. Outlaw it for the good of mankind! Im certainly not opposed to blaming Bill Clinton, Bush 41 and Reagan as well.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) If Hillary's camp thought it was a racist attack, they may take actions such as firing a staffer who peddled it. Yet meanwhile Sidney Blumenthal is still a close confidant of Hillarys. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-g...e102354777.html Obama wouldnt let Hillary hire Blumenthal in the State Department because of his part in spreading the rumors about Obama too. However, because of a FOIA we know Hillary was paying Blumenthal with the Clinton Foundation while he was advising her on policy in Libya.

The difference is that Hillary is the one who tried to bring it back up to label Trump a racist knowing damn well it started with her. She has repeatedly brought it up in this election to attack her opponent all while blatantly lying about her involvement.

Here is an actual video of Cooper testifying

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) You really think this is Bush or Obama's fault? That area has been destabilized so many times that you could argue its Alexander the Great's fault. Or maybe it was the Roman's. As long as religion and politics are intertwined in the middle east there are going to be problems. Those problems just manifest themselves in different ways. Intervening, not intervening, it likely would have made almost no difference. Maybe if the US had just let Saddam take Kuwait and been a counterbalance to Iran there would be less terrorism, but that also means that Saddam would have been allowed to massacre whoever he wanted. I could write another 1,000 pages of "Maybe if" about the Middle East. All of them end pretty much the same way. As long as there is a little piece of land that everyone thinks is magic, there is going to be fighting, because unfortunately you cant just offer normal solutions when everyone wants "magic" land, and they all believe only one very specific spot is "magic." Im not blaming them for thousands of years of Holy Wars. Im blaming them for our unnecessary involvement in said Holy Wars.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) Yes that's the republicantalkingpoints.txt, but I'm not convinced that what you're saying there/what Chaffetz is claiming is actually irrefutable proof. I would love to hear how destroying evidence under a preservation order and subpoena and Justin Cooper testifying that he, Huma and Chelsea had access to all of the classified info on her server isnt proof she broke the law.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) Unless I'm mistaken, the two examples you raised of Clinton committing multiple crimes was (1) Benghazi; and (2) the e-mail server. As to the first, I don't know how much time and money needs to be spent investigating Clinton on Benghazi, or how many times those investigations needs to not find evidence of wrongdoing, before the Republicans stop wasting everyone's time on it. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/st...-probes-so-far/ As to the second, the FBI investigated Clinton and found nothing criminal. So I'm not sure where you come up with the "irrefutable proof that Hillary committed multiple crimes" from. Yes, the use of the private server shows was extremely careless and showed a lack of judgment on Clinton's part. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...enghazi/396182/ As to why I'm ultimately supporting Clinton over Trump? This President is going to appoint at least one, and probably more, Supreme Court Justices. Because those are lifetime appointments, and they have a heavy influence on social issues, I would feel much, much better with Clinton picking those candidates than Trump. As to the other issues, bmags covered them all pretty well. If you would have read my post I provided proof she committed crimes. Justin Cooper testified that he, Huma and Celsea all had access to the server with classified info. Also, there is no disputing she destroyed evidence that was under a preservation order and a subpoena. Her husband got impeached for lying about a blowjob.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) No one is surprised that the Republican House Committees will not ever let anything regarding the Clintons go. We've already had 4 years of Benghazi investigations that have found no wrong-doing many times, yet the beat still marches on. Saying that Chaffetz' grandstanding is "irrefutable proof" is being extremely credulous towards his claims, to put it nicely. I do hope the Republicans lose their collective minds again, overplay their hands, impeach Hillary immediately and get slapped down hard just like the last time they pulled that stunt. Calling this a witch hunt doesnt work anymore. The dems made this mistake by not looking further into the issue themselves before. The moment when Bernie said "Can we forget about the damn emails" at the debate is likely what will cause the dems this election. There is very clear proof that she committed crimes. Cooper admitted that he, Huma and Chelsea had access to the secure server. That is illegal. We know she sent classified info, also illegal. We know she had the server wiped AFTER a preservation order and subpoena, also, also illegal. These arent conspiracy theories anymore, theyre facts. The FBI was very clearly attempting to cover this up and it isnt going to work. Dems can be upset all they want about it. She broke the law many times and just because our corrupt government overlooked it for so long doesnt mean it deserves to go away. It disqualifies her from being president.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Db you've brought up the Syrian thing a couple of times, what are your thoughts on that issue? The us has been funding and supplying anti assad forces for years now, so while it does complicate things with Russia, it's not exactly a new turn. Im very anti intervention in a lot of this stuff but as Ive admitted before I dont really have an answer to it. I think Bush/Obama have destabilized the middle east to the point that it may be next to impossible to fix. I do think the fact that just yesterday we accidentally bombed Syrian Army who is fighting against Isis and killed 80 of them is simply a mistake that we cant afford at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPYtJ-7VmnI Not sure how to imbed youtube videos (can we still do that?) But this is just formerly impeached rapist President Bill Clinton totally not being a hypocrite.

You also conveniently left out the irrefutable proof that Hillary committed multiple crimes and is being very actively pursued by the House Oversight Committee. However, as I was informed earlier that is probably something the dems should be discussing in their own thread.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) Kind of reaffirms my point. Sorry, I didnt take the bait on your sad analogy.

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