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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 9, 2007 -> 10:50 AM) A-Row has more than the Sox still possible for his services. And the Sox still have Fuku and maybe Ramirez, or someone else in trade, to consider. I wouldn't say its a 1-to-1 relationship just yet. I agree with you UNLESS Rowand's contract demands come down. I don't expect the White Sox to outbid the Cubs for Fuku, and I am praying that they don't trade for Juan Pierre....I can deal with Coco Crisp.

I think it's a close call. Would you rather have Jones at $18 million a year for only 2 years with the hope he rebounds offensively while still playing great defense ? OR Would you rather have Aaron Rowand for 4 years at $13 million a season knowing that last year was probably a career year ? I'd rather take a short-term shot a Jones.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 10:06 PM) The chances of Kong moving are probably slim, but it makes sense. 1. The Sox need to get younger 2. The Sox need to get cheaper at a few positions 3. Konerko still has a lot of value on the market Williams should listen to offers, and take them seriously. I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but I just think Williams considers Konerko to be a steadying rock for the club.

Why the Konerko talk ? Does anyone really expect the Angels to make a trade for him or for Kenny to trade him ?

This sounds like the White Sox are just trying to make a splash now, and what better way than to bring back Rowand.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 09:51 PM) really? i think the yankees red sox and dodgers have managed to do it pretty effectively over the last 4 years.... Absolutely - unless you have a ton of money to throw around which the White Sox do not do.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) because building a minor league organization is important not only for developing players, but for trading for players....ya know like miguel cabrera I think it's extremely difficult to try and win now, and at the same time, restock your minor league talent.

Why are we trading for prospects if Kenny's stated goal is the championship ?

what happened to the $75 over 5 years that was offered to Hunter ?

We need more Grinders!!!!!

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 07:18 PM) I think we need him, fields, richar and one of the young pitchers to break out to at least their respective levels of major league talent for us to compete. That's why I scoff when people say things like "no hope." Its possible, there's hope, its just very unlikely. I'm one of those who don't see much hope. Fields could hit 30 HR's, Richar could hit .280, Denks could get 14 wins, and we still have major holes in our rotation because Contreras sucks, and the #5 will too.

I see other teams around the league, including 2 in our own division (KC and Detroit) willing to add on to their payroll, and the White Sox seem like they need to balance one move with another to keep the payroll in check. I understand there's a budget, but I also hear Kenny say that he's going to land a "big fish", and I think that's going to require paying more than what he may feel comfortable doing. We're obviously not going to get much help from our minor league talent so unless Kenny opens the pocket book, and the White Sox are willing to add to their current payroll, which is very respectable, it's not going to be a good season. You can't subtract from one spot to improve at another. That puts you back where you started. If we're serious about contending this season (and I really don't see us doing that with this current team or by adding Aaron Rowand), they are going to have to find a way to make significant acquistions without subtracting what's currently here.

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 07:05 PM) It wouldn't shock me to see him put up better numbers than tori hunter. While I hope you are correct, I don't see this happening. Even so, with an unknown, I think you have to have enough around him so that he can hopefully complement the rest of the talent. In other words, I really hope we don't have to overly depend on a guy like this breaking out to keep up respectable.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 07:03 PM) I'm getting tired of seeing this. Aaron Rowand is not going to be a big key in making this team compete. He simply isn't that great in the first place. Unfortunately, he's the most likely of the CF's to be signed. I really hope that Kenny doesn't go for a quick win with a Rowand signing to appease Sox fans. He would help, but I think he's a complementary player who will probably be overpaid.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:57 PM) and have already added a young middle of the order hitter and will be getting plenty of pitching even with the loss of Santana I really don't think they are too worried Quentin is a question mark, and he certainly doesn't make this team a championship level club like Williams says his goal is.

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:47 PM) Well, you cant compete with that team now, with a Jerry Owens on the field. They are too far into this with the Cabrera trade & Linebrink signing to rebuild. We simply have to catch the ball now. Either Aaron or Jones HAS to be signed now-or we are 3rd place I love Kenny Williams trying to tell us that Quentin in LF or Owens possibly in a mix for a starting job is fielding a championship level team when the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Tigers and Indians are in the same league as us.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:47 PM) Interesting that the Palm Beach Post guy hasn't posted on his blog since the "halls were buzzing...." Who else could the Sox be targeting besides Fukudome/Jones/Rowand? I think Crisp possibly, but I don't know of any other major offensive hitters the caliber of Cabrera on the market. Maybe they change gears, and go after Haren or Bedard, but something tells me that they can't match the prospects other teams will be throwing up for those guys.

Does anyone really think Konerko is going to be traded ? I don't. I'm not saying that the White Sox shouldn't look to shake things up either, but I think Kenny sees him as sort of a rock in the lineup.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:16 PM) How many years were we the "best team on paper" and lost? You still have to play the games. True, but we're not even in the same ballpark talent wise with these teams (Detroit, Angels, Boston and NYY).

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:14 PM) We'd have a couple of things in our favor though. 1 - Surely he'd put up better numbers at the Cell instead of Comerica. Would help in his HR chase of A-Rod someday. 2 - The relationship with Ozzie. The big plus for us. Obviously it's going to cost a lot, but I think we'll have some big salaries coming off the books then. 2 years down the road doesn't leave me very excited, and the White Sox aren't known for getting into bidding wars. Chances of Cabrera to the White Sox in a few years ? I'd say about 1%

Our prospects just aren't seen in the same light as other teams top prospects. Kenny may love Gio Gonzalez, but I think it's painfully obvious that teams would rather have top pitching prospects from other organizations. We have a few GOOD prospects. Other teams have more and better prospects to offer. That's the sad reality. If we're in a bidding war for a star player, and it involves minor league talent, chances are, we aren't getting that player.

I'm trying to be patient, but now I'm seeing Detroit has added Renteria and Cabrera to their offense, and Willis (who I'm not really sold on anymore) to their rotation, and the White Sox have signed their own SS (Uribe), traded an innings eater for another one (the wrong Cabrera), possibly plan on starting an unknown in LF, and paid a lot of money for a relief pitcher (Linebrink). Maybe I'm being a bit negative, but is this really the off-season Plan B after Hunter signed elsewhere ? Looking at this team, Kenny better try Plan C. We still can use another starting pitcher (you're not going anywhere but 4th place with Contreras/Floyd/Denks in your rotation), a dependable OF who can maybe lead off, and probably another hitter for the middle of the lineup. This team is not any better than when the season ended, in fact, I'd argue worse since our rotation is in really bad shape. Detroit has gotten stronger as well, and Cleveland is coming of the playoff appearance. Again, attempting to be patient here, but I'm not sure there really is an immediate fix to this mess. Looks like I just called this team a mess, guess I just answered my own question.

The Sox already have signed 14 players at $99.975 million, according to the Chicago Tribune. I'm sure we can add 6 or 7 players on to those 14 players, and we'd be at 21 players for about $101 million, but signing a Aaron Rowand or some other trade, how high can we expect the Sox to increase the payroll ? Also, keeping in mind that they were offering $15 million a season to T.Hunter as well and, as of yet, haven't spent that money.

QUOTE(NCsoxfan @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 08:48 AM) I know this is totally below market, but Rowand still seems like he is "worth" maybe a 3 year 25 mil contract... In the next few years I see him being a .280 hitter, 20ish HR's and 75 RBI's, with his defense slowly declining Just think there is NO way he's worth 10mil a year I'd love to have him back, but I think you have to be really smart. In all probabiltiy, last year was a career year. I think your offer would be great for the White Sox, but I think he'd get around $12 million somewhere else.

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 08:33 AM) Time to get that best offer out there-quit jerking around before we lose the second best option at CF We then will have accomplished getting the outfield fixed I'm only interested if we can get him for 3 years with an option.