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Mike, try the feed now. he did something to it and it's working.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) i love this, why isnt our national guard there? There's just under 3K NG there now.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) But they have known that if they got hit head-on with a bad hurricane that they would be in SERIOUS trouble. Apparently they knew anything stronger than a 3 would do serious damage. I'm sorry.. I don't have any more answers than anyone else, just tossing stuff out there. I can't imagine they sat around and said "hey.. we know they aint gonna hold, but oh well..." The bottom line is that NO and the levies were not a priority for the boys in Washington. It's useless to point fingers at this point.. but if they need to be pointed, they should be pointed in the right direction.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) I can't through too it, it is too busy. It's unreal. For some reason fire trucks drove away from the building on fire downtown.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 11:21 AM) I was just talking about that with a coworker (and Brian and I talked about this when it happened). With the age of those levees there should have been a plan in place if there should have been a breech. How in creation could there NOT be a plan for this? :banghead It's not a good answer.. but how do you plan for the unknown...?

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) Have you seen their Gov. on tv these past few days? She's clueless. Apparently no plan was in place. Not only that, but for years and years experts have been asking to have the levees rebuilt and nothing got done. That's not entirely correct.. work was being done on them as late as '02 until the federal g'ment took away all funding. Apparently independent contractors were working on them for free but had to stop once their private $$ ran out. IIRC wino posted the linke earlier in this thread.

Live feed. http://194.97.144.25/NewOrleans

From the blog I am reading... 10:01a The City is ON FIRE Teams Alpha and Bravo finished the medium range recon and there are 3 separate locations on fire. We have pictures coming shortly. During the recon, I spoke to some Federal Marshalls and NOPD. Morale is LOW. Very low. They're not seeing the military presence they say they were promised. I told those guys they can't possibly imagine how much we (the world) appreciate their dedication. I asked what civil rights the citizens have and the US Marshalls looked at me like I just fell off the turnip truck and chuckled. I asked if citizens can have guns for protection and he said if someone thinks he needs a gun, he should have already evacuated. He also said they are setting the city on fire. The NOPD wants to know where "the two active duty brigades" were that he says they were told were supposed to arrive today. When I asked him what he would want to tell the world, he said Everyone keeps talking about the military presence in the city, and then asked me," Do you see any military around here" in dusgust. We reconned our roof also, to get a better view of the city and took... I hesitate to call them "amazing" pictures. My city... it has been punched in the face and is on the canvas being counted out. And yes, that's smoke you see out of the windows. The city is under a haze from the fires. Smoke and ash are floating miles away from the fires.

QUOTE(mreye @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 10:19 AM) Actually, I heard a list of about 40+ nations that have offered help and aid this morning on Fox. That list included France, Russia and China. I posted the list earlier in this thread. As well as GDub's comments that "we can handle this"...

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/2005/09/02/ I am watching this guys live cam... there are no words to describe what has happened and continues to happen there.

QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) he doesn't "want" a decent contract, he wants some playing time that he's earned. Just like Tony G...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9157866/ Bush says relief efforts are ‘not acceptable’ President plans tour of hurricane-devastated Gulf Coast For the first time, however, he stopped defending his administration's response and criticized it. "A lot of people are working hard to help those who've been affected. The results are not acceptable," he said. "I'm heading down there right now." "But Bush was avoiding an in-person visit to the worst areas of New Orleans, mostly drowned in rank floodwaters and descending in many areas into lawlessness as desperate residents await rescue or even just food and water. Instead, the president was taking an aerial tour of the city and making an appearance at the airport several miles from the center of town." Good decision.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 08:36 AM) I know what you mean. Brian and I are going to stock up on water and canned goods this weekend. We've been doing the canned good thing in our house for about 6 months now, but want to make sure there are bottles of water available as well. Made our donation to red cross this morning - wish there was more I could do, but it seems donating is the best that we (as in citizens not near the area) can do for now. Donations and , that is. Jim and I are going to buy that garage fridge tomorrow, and a bigger generator also. Just got off the phone with Life Source for tomorrow as well.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 07:27 AM) They are doing some food air drops, now. This picture is in front of the convention center. The subject of FEMA's ignorance of the thousands of people at the convvention center well into yesterday afternoon is still really odd. During the 8 am news hour on NPR yesterday there was a piece that explicitly noted the small city that had sprung up at the coonvention center, how looters vere basically using it as a staging area and bartering their hauls there at an ad hoc market of sorts. Eight hours later, and FEMA doesn't know there was anybody there?!? Sadly... dropping the supplies was not the plan. "A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times on Thursday to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away." http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/page/2/

I sat in front of the television most of the night last night and again this morning when I couldn't sleep watching the coverage. This is just so amazing to me. So sad. So angry. I was mesmerized by the water coming out of the faucet as I brushed my teeth...

Woah...Mike Brown, the FEMA director, is saying that they didn't know there were people at the covention center until TODAY...??? Do they not watch television..??

Buses are on the way in the city, there are guards in uniform handing out water, progress seems to be being made. Reporter on top of the CC reporting rapes, a mall on fire, dead people, starving people.. unreal.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:50 PM) To that one particular part of the city. Not everyone is there. You are talking about trying to track down a couple of hundred thousand people spread out all over all kinds of flooded areas, trapped in places, and not even mentioning the safety of the people who would be trying to get this stuff there in the first place. Can you imagine them driving a semi-tracker full of food and medicine into some of those areas, and a group of armed vigilantes killing the aid workers and hi-jacking the truck? A couple of days ago I couldn't have imagined it, today it wouldn't surprise me. The very first thing they have to do is restore law and order. Until they do that, they can't rescue people, they can help people, and they can organize the safe distribution of good and services to the masses. I agree with you on the danger, but they need to do something. There are an estimated 60K people at the superdome and convention center, and they are saying they have to evacuate the dome. Order is out the window at this point, IMO. NO will never be the same... if it survives this.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) You can't bring trucks into places that don't have roads and bridges. Ships can't make it in because there is no where to empty them. The buses made it in there.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:41 PM) Can't we just "invade" NO, bring a bunch of trucks and ships in and just get those people out of there? Set up emergency relief centers at accessible locations around the city and drop in medics and supplies? Like...NOW?! It's been 4 days!! Exactly. Those buses that are coming to take the people out... fill them up with food and water. Give that out as you evacuate. I don't understand the lack of common sense here. :headshake

My God.. this couple had to leave their baby behind and have had no idea for FOUR days if he was dead or alive... they just found him.

QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:25 PM) Federal Funding was not axed until 2002 and 2003. Homeland Security, The Iraq War and tax cuts were cited as reasons for the funding cuts. I'm not going to start any bashing.. but clearly that wasn't a very good decision.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:24 PM) good question. They had a big flood in '95 at which time they came up with a massive civil engineering project to shore up the levees and pump systems, but federal funding went away in 2000 and the project has virtually died. I can't imagine abandoning a major U.S. city and port, but what do you do? I can't believe that they KNEW this would happen, planned on fixing it, but cut the funding. Unreal..

QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) Anderson Cooper is browbeating Senator Landrieu That's him. And she's an idiot.

I don't know who he is.. but there is a reporter tearing into a Louisiana rep on CNN.