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QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 07:20 AM) I'll follow the sun When the going gets tough, the tough get going

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest...85.asp?GT1=6706 Is your city overpriced? advertisement Cost of living -- from housing to the electric bill -- is going up just about everywhere, but these 10 cities have the rest of the country beat. Seattle tops the list. Again. Does your hometown make the cut? By Forbes.com Once an overpriced city, always an overpriced city. That may not be how the old saw goes, but it's one of the things Forbes.com gleaned from the fourth edition of its "Most Overpriced Places" study. A couple of cities fell off the list, and others shuffled places. For the most part, the roster is still made up of metropolitan areas that will suck dollars from your wallet in a flash. Now: Plenty of places are expensive. You probably think where you live is far too costly, especially since real estate costs keep heading north around the country. Movie tickets used to cost a quarter, and with a million dollars you could get a mansion. In Los Angeles this year, the median home price rose above a half-million dollars, according to the California Association of Realtors. Don't even get us started about the cost of catching a film. Start investing with $100. Explore our new ETF center. See the full top 10. Still, if jobs are plentiful and incomes are rising, the real effect of increasing costs is small. But when prices go up, when employment is stagnant and when incomes are flat, well, that’s when things are overpriced. How we got the list To determine the 10 most overpriced places in the country, we started with the 150 cities examined in Forbes' 2005 Best Places for Business and Careers. They were ranked from 1 to 150, with 150 being the worst. We extracted the rankings for job growth, income growth and cost of living (including the cost of housing, utilities, transportation and other expenditures), then added to the mix a housing affordability index from research firm Economy.com. The index measures how much of a local median-priced home (the price at which half the homes are more expensive and half are less expensive) you can buy if you earn the local median income, given current interest rates. We totaled everything to see which cities come out on top -- or on the bottom -- depending on your perspective. Seattle in first ... again Seattle, once again, took the highest spot on our "Overpriced List," because it's still recovering from the dot-com blowout five years ago. New York and San Francisco, which have hard-earned reputations for being super-pricey cities, made the cut, as did a couple of New Jersey locations.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More from Forbes and MSN Money • Slide show: The 10 most overpriced cities • What $1 million buys you • What the good life costs • Best places to be rich • Best places for business and careers • Video: Overpriced U.S. living -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miami, on the other hand, dropped from the list, but came in at a close no. 12. Job growth there is solid, but the cost of housing is still high. Milwaukee came in just outside the top 10, as well, with its expensive housing. Housing costs a big factor In fact, housing costs were a major factor in determining the most-overpriced rankings. Despite all the talk of a bubble soon to burst, real estate continues racing up a steep price hill. The National Association of Realtors expects 2005 to be another record-setting year in the U.S. If you're unfortunate enough to live in an overpriced city, stop your whining. After all, there must be something keeping you there, whether it's the museums or an easy commute. If you're lucky enough to live outside of the top 10, count your blessings -- and your dollars. See the slide show.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 08:22 AM) Well, that settles it then...we're both idiots!

Good grief.. where the hell is he coming from that it's taking so long for him to get here...??

QUOTE(thedoctor @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 08:10 AM) well, i'm certainly not helping attendance so maybe i should shut my yap. Yea, damnit!! :finger

QUOTE(thedoctor @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 08:04 AM) fair or not, there are other more interesting topics to choose from. having worked in the business, i can tell you how this story happens. every major sports department in the country gets the ap wire. when the ap moved that story on sox attendance a month or two ago, sports editors probably pulled it and said we can localize this as a take-out piece if the sox are still good when we play them. at that point the story gets filed away, then trotted out again a month or so later. the reporter gets the assignment, takes his impressions from the initial story, updates some numbers and voila. readers of the boston globe never saw that ap story so it looks as if some actual research and story development was done here. i do agree the story is fair. the problem is that it is far from the best and most compelling story out there concerning this team. and from a reader standpoint, if i live in boston i probably don't care about the sox attendance that much. No more or less than you do living in Ohio..

QUOTE(mreye @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 07:31 AM) I actually thought it was a pretty fair article. So do I.

QUOTE(thelatinoheat_30 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) i guess you really don't watch the games after all. like today, he threw towards third base when he had no business doing it and threw the ball away, costing freddy a run on the play when he shoulda thrown the ball to second to keep the dp in order. last week, he did a similar thing where he shoulda thrown the ball in to second and instead tried to throw em out @ third and also backfired. both times, he had little chance to get the lead guy and both times dj pointed it out. and in this same series vs. the tigers, he threw a horrible throw to the plate when he had NO CHANCE, and the guy who got the hit took second on the throw. he has to do the fundamental things right. AND PLEASE BEFORE MAKING ANYMORE STUPID COMMENTS, WATCH A GAME OR TWO. Which apparently is all you've watched. :rolly

Sell out Monday.. 35K last night.. 39K today.. less than 3K left for tomorrow and even less for the weekend... 7 straight days of near sell out crowds.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:13 PM) Ditto Bla.. gonna go take it out on the punching bag.

s***.

Ugh.. I think I just developed an ulcer.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:09 PM) I blame Cotts, the guy who didn't get the job done. Why Cotts...?? It's obviously all Paul's fault.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:09 PM) Quit! LMAO QP.. I'm still here too!!

Oh no... Harris running for Crede... I swear if he gets picked off.. it aint gonna be pretty for Willie tomorrow night.

Eff yea!!!!!

Come on Joe!!! 33 pitches.. tire his ass out!!

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) I see the analysis now. I dont like Timo. I dont think highly of Joe Borchard also. I guess I dont like white guys either. There was no analysis. :headshake

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:06 PM) I am still glad we handed them those four runs. Unreal isn't it... uneffingreal.

8-6 Detroit.. C'mon Crede!!!!!

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:01 PM) Sure Timo is here because he has earned it over anyone. The rest of your analysis is very very far off. Funny.. I didn't even make a point about a specific player. Maybe it's not just that you sound racist afterall...

QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 05:00 PM) Totally agree with you Thanks... but please.. I don't want this to turn into some big thing.. and I'm not trying to fight with you 71. Just don't agree with you and think your comments are out of line. I will make no further comments on the issue.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 04:53 PM) How is saying that Ozzie favors his latin players racist. He makes comments the reason Timo is on the team is "he provides a positive influence for our young latin players" You're accusing, ASSuming, that the reason Latin players are here is because Ozzie favors them..and then go as far as saying if you aren't Latin you are screwed.. sorry.. but THAT'S bulls***.. and ignorant.. and sounds like you have an axe to grind with latin players because YOU feel they are not worthy of being on this team. You have every right to your opinion and I have every right to claim it, your comments - not you, sounds rasist to ME..

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 04:52 PM) Well, I wouldn't discount us. They are a good hitting team, but we have more HR's than them. I wouldn't like our chances in a slugfest, but I do think we have capable players if needed. Just an off day. It happens. On July 20th it might happen to us for only the 31st time... pretty damn good, IMO.