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Just to be clear, when most people here were talking about San Jose earlier, I am pretty sure they meant the one in Puerto Rico. San Jose, CA, is A's or nothing. QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 12:44 PM) With Miami, Tampa, and Oakland having such a hard time supporting teams, I don't think expansion is going to work anywhere right now, but in the hypothetical world, I think the best options would be: Portland San Antonio Las Vegas New Orleans San Jose would work, but only if Oakland moves there. Adding a third team in the Bay area won't work. New Orleans used to be on the short lists, but they haven't really recovered from Katrina. Its a shadow of its former self. I don't think they'd even register as a possibility at this point.

I think StrangeSox has taken some of his stances on this to hilarious extremes. But... in THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I agree with him that other tactics should have prevailed. What should have happened was, if they refused the order to move, you handcuff them and put them in a bus to go to jail. I've been there and done this myself. Now, if in the process of doing this, someone starts struggling with the officer - hitting, biting, spitting, etc. - then at that point the police are plenty justified in using OC or a blunt weapon to get them into custody. UC Davis Police, at least a couple of them anyway, appeared to have skipped a step, and I would agree that was poor police tactics.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 11:11 AM) I don't recall saying he's advocating for child sweat shop labor outside of a joke pic response to mr. genius. Newt is saying that there's value in eliminating child labor laws and replacing union workers with children. This is dumb for numerous reasons and deserves to be called so. Not what Newt said. He said the laws as they stand now are bad, which I took to mean, they need changing.

So here is my confusion. For Doyle and Kuhn, are they both only eligible for the Major League phase? If so, then I agree that the Sox don't really need to protect either one, as I don't see anyone putting them on their 25. But if either is minor league phase eligible, to go only on a team's 40, then it seems a shame to not protect at least Doyle.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 08:14 AM) Child labor laws generally prevent 9-14 year old from working outside of family businesses. Newr would like that changed. There is no stretch. Well, either you are wrong about the law, or myself and a whole bunch of my generational and neighborhood cohorts were working illegally at those ages. Which do you think is the case?

QUOTE (joeynach @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) When season price tickets drop, payroll always drops as well. I remember last year when the sox signed Dunn, my buddy who is a Sox account executive told me all season ticket prices when up by $4 a game. Now that season ticket prices drop I expect payroll to drop as well. It will be interested to see how much prices drop compared to how much payroll drops. I would consider the price correlation to be similar to gasoline, fast to go up, slow to come down. My guess, payroll decreased by 25%, ticket prices decreased 15%. Fiirst... when have season ticket prices dropped, ever, in the past decade with the current upper management structure? And so how can you say "always"? Second, there is almost no way payroll could decrease 25%. Look at the payroll resource Kalapse has, and tell me how you plan to accomplish that, even if you wanted to.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 07:13 PM) I think you're setting up this question to shoot down what Balta is saying by asking a leading question to suggest plastic trees are better... but, they're not. Live trees are grown and recycled, a lot of times grown locally, while they're grown they take in CO2, and when they're done being used they're biodegradeable. Plastic trees are produced using chemicals, usually somewhere like China, and then they're shipped across the Pacific/thru the Panama canal halfway around the world, all of which pollutes. Then when the tree breaks down it gets thrown in a dumpster. I sort of was, but honestly was also curious. I didn't know the answer.

In the specific case at UC Davis, while those students 100% deserved to be arrested... I have to say, I cannot find any way to justify the OC spray. Just wasn't called for, it was an unnecessary escalation. That said, the idea some of the lefties are pushing that this is any sort of real equivalency... QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 04:26 PM) ...is about on par with referring to *insert hated Dem or GOP'er here* as Hitler. Just laughably over the top.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 07:30 AM) You need to take in the whole meaning of advocating against child labor laws and in favor of young children working beca use they are poor. He also was specifically ranting against union workers, and the whole idea of ending poverty by firing adults from decent-wage jobs and replacing them with children is pretty funny. He was arguing against laws that restrict children 9-14 from working. You can't get around that. His idea is just dumb, anyways. Again, how is this man taken seriously? I think you are taking this a little far. I was working in 8th grade, short part time hours, sweeping up and cleaning at a flower/garden shop. Basically janitorial work, and I was probably 13-14 years old. Worked throughout high school too - umpiring little league games, working the desk at the parish office at our church, a little yard work in the neighborhood, even did some babysitting. There is nothing wrong with suggesting that school kids of a certain age should be allowed to work a job like that. The keys to this working are, for one thing, ALLOWED is the key word. Not forced or required. They have an option to do so and make some money. Then of course you need to make sure they aren't being pushed too far, so you have laws (which already exist I am pretty sure) that dictate how many hours a day and/or week they can work, breaks, etc. So really, Newt is not suggesting removing or even reducing child labor laws at all, in terms of protections for a child. What he is aiming at is piercing the union veil. Not saying I agree or disagree on that, but your characterization of what he is saying is incredibly exaggerated and forced.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) Still a game today, but for the most part the hitters were quite poor all things considered. I agree. Doyle and Kloess are the only guys we sent that popped out as having turned in encouraging performances.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 01:20 PM) Pretty much the same style of signing as we saw with Jenks. I thought Jenks was a Rule V pickup?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) Well one thing Heath has going for him, evidently he likes hookers. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5030547 Interesting. And the Sox signed him just a couple weeks after that article was published.

ChicagoNow article about M56 on the Cubs, included a picture. Not Safe for Stomach...

Does Nathan Jones need to be protected? Charlie Shirek maybe is being left off too.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) I wouldn't do 5-6 years for him either, but I have to challenge you on one claim...why do you conclude that D1 is a "Greater than average injury risk"? He's a guy who came up to the big leagues very early and has regularly just come out and pitched. He's never built up the number of innings we'd really like, but that's more a function of him never learning how to put a hitter away quickly than it is him missing starts. He pulled an oblique this year and that was the first year since 07 where he didn't start 32-33 games, and a "pulled oblique" doesn't strike me as the sort of injury I'd call "recurrent". Every year he has one or two dead arm periods, his few injuries have been minor but related to muscle strain, and his delivery looks high-effort to me. I'm no doctor, I could be wrong, I hope I am... but I'd suspect he's got a greater risk of a pitching-related injury.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 10:13 AM) Not starting another thread yet, but if the Sox were to try to sign Danks to a multi-year contract now (if they were resigned to the fact that Buehrle was gone), what sort of contract gets it done? He's young and has shown that he COULD be an ace. Could the Sox even afford him at this point? I think he'll look for 5 or 6 years, and if I'm the Sox I don't do that for Danks. I still think he's a greater than average injury risk, and is prone to inconsistency and dead arm periods.

If Gingrich wins or is within a couple points in Iowa, and manages to actually win NH, he's got a very good chance of winning the nomination.

Deunte Heath 2006 19th round pick by ATL. 26 years old, turns 27 during 2012 season. Been in the Sox system in 2010 and 2011, as a reliever then a starter. Was primarily a starter with the ATL system. His K numbers are way up since joining the Sox org, walks still a little high. Drafted 3 consecutive years before eventually signing with ATL. I know nothing about his stuff.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 11:05 AM) I am surprised on Terry Doyle, not so much on the rest of them. I could see a team taking a shot on Doyle. Doyle, Kuhn and Short all surprise me, as does Heath getting protected. I wonder when the deadline is for this - things could change again. Could be that Doyle gets sent as a piece in a trade before then too.

Duente Heath? Really? There were some other guys who needed protection that I am surprised they didn't give it to. Still time before the deadline I suppose.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) Actually, I'd say that the main competition for domestic live Christmas trees is plastic Christmas trees, most likely produced in Asia, and then imported into the U.S. Now here is where you might have a bit of a logical conundrum, Balta. Which is more environmentally friendly? A plastic tree that you use for 10 years, or 10 individual trees that are farmed and have to be regrown?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 10:13 AM) This is, btw, quite literally how places like Germany, with China moving in, have built strong domestic manufacturing capacities...by establishing policies designed solely to benefit and grow domestic industries. They've been more than willing to lose money on those campaigns in order to build the industry up, and they have succeeded in their efforts in many cases. Does the US export X-mas trees? I'm pretty sure it is the other way around, we have some domestic for domestic and some imported from Canada. That being the case, more X-Mas trees selling is more or less a zero sum game for the economy as a whole. The industries you are talking about tryingto beneift actually export goods, and make it harder for other countries to compete, neither of which really come into play in this case (and both of which are a different topic of discussion with regards to government involvement).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 10:06 AM) BTW, doesn't Tampa have an incredibly hard lease to break? That's a good point, I am not sure, and I am not sure what it costs them if they break it. I just know that even when they are winning, they can't draw fans, and Tampa won't be building them a new park anytime soon.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 09:59 AM) Christ. You will f***ing repost any tweet, won't you? I kind of like it, because I don't really use Twitter. He helps enable my laziness.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) So, the industry is incapable of doing so itself, no taxpayer dollars are on the line, the government has setups that are easily capable of doing this and does so for 18 other industries, doing so through the government would reduce costs all around, the industry asks for it to happen, it provides a benefit to the U.S. economy, but government is always bad and I can't give an exact answer why but it's a slippery slope since government is bad and it shouldn't happen. I feel like you're the 10 year old kid taking away my tricycle for no reason but to see me cry. I certainly don't think government is always bad, I'm all for government involvement in a variety of things. And WTH does that last sentence even mean? QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 10:04 AM) Should the government subsidize industry group advertising for all US-based industries? That's one of a few of the problems with this I was referring to.