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QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) Maybe he's matured enough to know this is a Prove It contract and is willing to listen and learn. If he can put it all together, with his past, he could get a hefty contract next year. If his best offer was 1 year and 3 million dollars, he knows this is his last big shot. If he screws this up, his next offers will be minor league deals. It is now or never for Latos.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) if they "promised" him that already then they really don't have much confidence in Johnson at all. It wouldn't be the first time that writing was on the wall. For all of the starting pitchers they used last year, he was sure in Charlotte an awful long time.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) Or he really wanted to go somewhere that would promise him a starting spot? And if the rumor mill is true, a lot of teams crossed him off due to character.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) Just to get it on the record, does this move seem more Hahn or KW? Didn't Williams covet Latos at one point or another (in all fairness, everyone did about three years ago)? This price tag screams Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) Do not confuse risk with price. Risk =/= Price. They're associated, but you also have to factor in the likelihood of different levels of performance. A lottery ticket - a literal, actual lottery ticket - is high risk/high reward because even though it only costs a dollar, there is an overwhelmingly high chance of losing. The potential gain is great. Latos is closer to a lottery ticket than, I dunno, keeping your money under the mattress (which is low risk/low reward). Didn't mean to derail the thread, but I think the chances of Latos being a dud are greater than people are admitting. Risk involves chance of losing something. In this case, there isn't much risk. Even if he sucks, he can easily be cut and at no real loss to the team.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) While this entire argument is stupid, I will repeat that we're not talking equities here & MLB free agency is a constrained market. We're paying a guy to be a 0.5 WAR player who also has a chance of being a 3+ WAR player. While he may not reach his 3+ WAR ceiling, the probability of him not earning his contract is nearly impossible and the possibility of him greatly exceeding it (2 WAR seems like a realistic floor) is highly likely. By your very definition, it's a low risk/high reward signing. And even if the team struggles this year, Latos could also be a great deadline trade piece if he pitches even mediocre, because of his contract status.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) Count me in as one who doesn't want Johnson to be traded now. That article on Fangraphs today noted we had the worst projected WAR from our SP after the top 3 , and this includes all depth options as well. Latos will certainly help with that, but we don't know yet if he'll be healthy or effective, so we still need Johnson in case Latos doesn't work out. No good reason to trade Johnson unless you are getting a good young RF for him. Odds are good you will need both him and Turner this year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 12m12 minutes ago Mat Latos arrived in Chicago yesterday for physical. #WhiteSox Chicago media fails again. Also FWIW, it was Jerry Crasnik that had the signing first.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) It's high risk. There's a good chance he'll be banged up or ineffective. If the chances of him being healthy/good were higher, he would have signed for more than $3M. Disagree. The risk is associated with what you give up to get the player. A $200 million contract is high risk. Giving up a large package of top prospects to get a player is high risk. A 1 year/3 million deal is not high risk.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) Using this as an excuse to trade Erik Johnson would be a mistake. Again I ask, how many innings can you realistically rely on Latos to pitch? This move was to bolster pitching depth. And people, please stop calling things low risk/high reward. Low risk/high reward is impossible. You make me cranky. For once, this is right. This is a three million dollar signing for a guy who when healthy can be a #2 starter, on a team that can use a RH SP at the top of their rotation. If the guy gives you problems, or sucks, you dump him. There really is not much risk when you consider he is only getting $2.5 million over minimum wage in MLB. Where else can you get a shot at a #2 starter for $3 million?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) He really couldn't get a better deal than $3 million? Wow, I'm surprised. Great deal for the Sox. Low-risk, high-reward. If he is any problems in the clubhouse, for $3 million you can quickly DFA him. Agreed 100%.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 12:59 PM) Good deal. Dont know who it bodes worse for between Danks and Johnson Johnson for sure.

That is a really nice deal for the White Sox. It gives another righty to mix, and it is cheap and short term. Well done.

there is nothing worse than cleaning up someone else's puke while being sick to your stomach anyway. Ugh.

If White Sox only, Frank would probably be the most obvious answer, but I think 94 Belle and 02 Ordonez would help this team the most.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Dion Phanuef to the Senators in a massive 9 player trade. Stephen Whyno ‏@SWhyno 7m7 minutes ago #Sens get Phaneuf, Bailey, Rupert, Frattin and Donaghey from #Leafs for Cowen, Greening, Michalek, Lindberg and 2017 2nd. No salary retained

Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 10h10 hours ago Cuban phenom Lazarito nearing decision. Sent with @MLB At Bat Cubs among the teams believed to be in picture. http://mlb.com/r/article?ymd=20160208&...lb&c_id=mlb …

Shi Davidi @ShiDavidi Repeating from late last night, #BlueJays, Josh Donaldson with agreement on 2-yr deal worth nearly $29m, per source: http://bit.ly/1T20Ece

Very cool. 670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 2h2 hours ago #Blackhawks' Scott Darling lends helping hand to a man in need while on road trip: http://cbsloc.al/20knAUx

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 2h2 hours ago The rule changes on slides into second base won't prevent players from trying to break up double plays. http://es.pn/20T6orm + links.

Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 2h2 hours ago Here's what's next for Yulieski and Lourdes Gurriel, and why they might not play at all until 2017: http://bba.am/kagpIn

steve rosenbloom ‏@steverosenbloom 23m23 minutes ago “This is who we are" Pau Gasol pretty much indicts everybody with the #Bulls. RosenBlog: http://trib.in/20T2tL3

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 05:44 AM) Gar wants his guys to succeed If he is really worried about his job, the sad thing is the last thing he will do is sell parts... which really sucks.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) Completely agree. Would be a huge addition. To get a guy that skilled who knows the system would be huge. Hell look at what Versteeg gave last year, and multiply that.

If I want to make this a playoff team? Steroid era Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa.