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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) Goodness, DICK ALLEN IS NAILING THIS THREAD. Read his damn posts, there are differences in the way you can cut players on one year deals and multi-year deals. It's in the CBA. Dayan was tendered a one year, partially guaranteed contract. If he's cut in the spring, the Sox will owe him for 45 service days; I believe that will work out to about 1 million. I really don't see why there is so much confusion on this point. Dick is being very patient with you all he explained it at least twice in the last two pages. Speaking of which, great job of not reading the thread to the end.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) Can we figure out how to get DRose to not suck at defense. He used to be elite their (and always was underrated) and right now is as bad as it gets. I think the biggest problem of our defense is what opposing point guards have been able to do and how much it has put the rest of our defense in horrific positions. When you have as much talent as he has, defense is all between the ears.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) He was on a multi-year, guaranteed deal. When Viciedo becomes a free agent he can gain the upper hand and get that kind of deal, or if he is good enough the team wants to buyout his arb years like Sale, same deal. As long as he is going year to year before free agency, he will be subject to termination pay. The exact same thing happened to the White Sox new utility man last year. He signed a $3.5 million contract to avoid arbitration, and was released: Ken RosenthalVerified account ‏@Ken_Rosenthal· Bonifacio clears waivers at 2 p.m. ET tomorrow. At that point would become free agent. #Royals would owe him about $575K in termination pay. I actually went and googled some background on the deal. It does look like you are right here. This is the first one I saw that did it without being an arbitration award. It appears that the fun part could be this generating a grievance as the release has to be performance based, and we all know who Dayan's agent is.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 01:59 PM) Yes, but he was tendered a contract. Every player signed to a contract has been tendered a contract. Then why didn't Adam Dunn get released for 30 days salary? Viciedo has a guaranteed deal now, not an arbitration award, and not a tender deal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) He was tendered a contract. A non-tender becomes a free agent. He was tendered a contract. He didn't sign it. He decided on arbitration. He and the team negotiated a separate deal outside of arbitration.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) He certainly WAS tendered a contract, or else he wouldn't have had anything to sign. And if you go down further, you will see that a contract for the "next" season would be 2016. People wouldn't be playing in spring training if they had not signed a contract for the 2015 season. Dunn's contract was guaranteed. The guys signing multi-year contracts are usually guaranteed. I am 99.9999% sure the contract Viciedo signed can be terminated. He didn't sign his tender deal. He and the team signed a new deal at $4.4 million.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 01:23 PM) Here is the Basic Agreement. Go to page 33 and 34. I am certain the same type of guarantee applies to the contract Viciedo signed. http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf Viciedo wasn't tendered a contract. He also has a contract for the next season now. You can only tender contracts to pre-arb players and to players awarded deal through arb. Otherwise the Sox could have terminated Dunn's deal for 30 days salary in 2012, and there is no reason under God's green earth this wouldn't have been done.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 01:10 PM) You are not correct. Every source I am reading very specifically states the arbitrator awarded contract is not guaranteed, and the player can be released for only 30 days or 45 days worth of his salary, depending on his exact release date. If you have proof otherwise, I would like to see it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) ? For a guy who says I mention Paulino more than his mother, you would think you would know all hindsight did is validate my original thought about him. Again, the Sox spend $9 million on a 40 year old LOOGY, a non tender middle reliever from the NL, and a guy who pitched about 20 innings in AAA the season previously after surgery. Betting under a $1 million , and at most $4.4 million on a 25 year old guy who can hit the ball a mile is no greater risk. In fact, IMO, it is far less risky. Paying Zach Duke $15 million the next 3 years based on 40 or so really good innings in 2014 blows that risk away, yet some who hate Viciedo, gave that signing kudos. Again, only if an arbitrator awards a contract is this scenario true. The Sox are currently on the hook for $4.4 million.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 01:00 PM) But as I noted, how many nonreligious shelters or food pantries could you fund with the several hundred billion dollars per year that goes to churches in this country? Judging by how few dollars from most of the existing non-profits around the country end up where they are supposed to go, I am guessing that wouldn't be a net positive, even if you operate under the assumption that dollars that currently go to churches would be funneled to other causes on an equal basis.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:49 PM) To be honest, I'd prefer a Keith Bogans to a Nate for our bench. The bench as it is now has plenty of Offensive guards. Defense would definitely be my first choice.

Captain my Captain. http://committedindians.com/jonathan-toews...r-game-captain/

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) His 3.81 ERA is high for the Hall when looking at it without context. The average HOFer has an ERA of 2.98 and the highest is Red Ruffing at 3.80. The average ERA+ of starters in the HOF is 123, Buehrle sits at 117. Some others around that number include Warren Spahn (119), Bert Blyleven (118), Steve Carlton (115), Gaylord Perry (117), Fergie Jenkins (115) and Nolan Ryan (112) The average HOFer also has 253 Ws, 3801 IPs, 2153 Ks, and 70 bWAR. Those are all numbers that Buehrle can reach should he choose to. I used bWAR here because with the talk about FIP and its inaccuracies with pitchers like Buehrle I felt it appropriate even though it is generally less accurate. If you look strictly at bWAR, Buehrle would currently be ranked 47th amongst HOFers with a chance to move to the top 25-30 if he keeps pitching. Buehrle certainly has some detractions that will probably keep him out. He never really came close to winning a Cy Young, he was never viewed as being that dominate and he didn't really have a pitch that was memorable. I.E. Ryan's fastball, Big Unit's slider or Blyleven's curveball. Again, I don't think he gets in, but it would certainly not be a joke if he did. He has already had a better career than some inducted and would move to the middle of the pack if he pitches another 5 years. Overall he was not one of the best pitchers to ever play the game, but he was above average and at time significantly above average. Combine that with his consistency and durability and he really has been one of the most valuable pitchers that we've seen. I HATE ERA being discussed for the HOF. It totally misses era context. A 3.81 era while Buehrle pitched is pretty damned good. While Ted Lyons pitched it would have had you run out of baseball.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:10 AM) Our old friend Nate Robinson traded to the Celtics for Jameer Nelson. Sounds like Robinson is going to aim for a buyout to sign a deal with a contender.

Just give me an estimate.

1. How big is his bank account?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 08:21 AM) Dude was classy as hell and had an unprecedented drop off. He ended up being an awful signing (but even then, short term deal and not expensive by current going rates) but could never dislike the guy. Unless you take on the field performance personally, there was no reason to hate Adam Dunn.

Even though the odds are basically zero, there is no player I would rather see get into the Hall of Fame than Mark Buehrle.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 08:25 AM) Ah OK, now I remember, I couldn't recall that. I thought Dunn handled himself very well off the field during his time here, totally agree on that. For as bad as he was on the field, he handled his off of the field stuff above and beyond the call of duty. He caught a lot of unnecessary flack.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) It is apparently not quite that cut and dried. http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/1/13/7536...d-inevitability The key

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) This does pose a much larger, critical question that I dare ANYONE to defend Rich Hahn on; why don't the Sox sign all the players? You have to go into a season with that plan. It would be stupid to start it now when most of the talent is off of the board.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) i do beg to differ... there is really no scouting rpt that givens any hints on how far or close he is to the majors. The last report I saw thought he was going to start in A ball and that he was a major project. Nothing about his Cuban numbers screams he is ready. He barely threw any innings and his K/9 was something out of Mark Buehrle land.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) i know where you are going, 15 mil ontop of 120 mil team salary, but the sox will have the building of the farm going full forward. JR crying poor is baseless, he can come up with the money to get the players. Not for a guy who is years away.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) i have been sick in bed and i got up and the sox didn't sign him. i wonder why???? I can think of about $15 million reasons to start with.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 03:31 PM) Are we sure this is true since this is a contract and not an arbitration settlement? I would imagine the first is true. I would have to guess that the only way the 20% happens if it an arbitrator awards the contract.