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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 07:19 PM) I'm sure you have copious citations for your assertion that it was originally used and perceived as a racially derogatory term, right? I mean there were also French and English, but at some point a larger identity of "European" still emerged. American Indians still have their tribal identities, but they also embrace the larger category. You need to show that the origins of "Indian" weren't just ignorance but deliberate malice and that it was perceived as such. I suspect you will have a difficult time given that the term predates modern conceptions of race and that early colonists had no problem continuing to distinguish between individual tribes, but I'm happy to be shown otherwise. That still doesn't address why we should continue to use a word today that is unquestionably historically racist and still perceived that way, though. Why do you assume that one day it will no longer be perceived as racist by American Indians when plenty of other racial slurs remain racial slurs? How long might that take? Why should present-day American Indians who object to that term now suffer continued insult for the sake of white people who hope they'll eventually get over it? Should it be acceptable to go around saying other racial slurs on the hopes that they will one day stop being offensive? Why is it so important to keep using these words that express racist ideas, anyway? So you are intentionally using a racist term, just because it is socially acceptable.

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:59 PM) Indians is a proper and scientific name for a group of people (though of course it is sort of hilariously inaccurate). In fact Native Americans was added later as an attempt to be more sensitive (or PC if you like), but then those people themselves in many cases felt that was just as inaccurate as Indians. That's why American Indians is the way you now, again, often see the groups termed in academic papers and textbooks. It was never an insult, unless terms like "white" or "Irish" or "people" are also insults. Indian and Redskin are in no way interchangeable in their tone - only in the people they point at. It is a term of historical ignorance and racism assigned by colonialists. There is no such historical figure as an Indian, or an American Indian, just like there is no group that is a Redskin. There were tribes and nations all over these lands. Not a one of them would have self identifed as an Indian. They are Iroquois, or Pottawattomie, or whatever their historical nations were. It is just as historically of a loaded term as any others.

Yet everyone here is using the term "Indians" like it has never had any negative connotations attached to, or that it wasn't the terms assigned by the colonists. But yet no one has any idea of what I am talking about when I mention the power assigned to words.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) The question is simple and direct. Your answer doesn't necessarily need to be, but so far all you've provided are some platitudes without explanation (take the power out of words instead of being censors) or irrelevant evasions (meme meme meme, there are more important issues). Why is it okay to continue to use a racial slur? What purpose do you believe that its continued use serves? While you seem to believe it is simple, it is not. This isn't something that can be put into a cute little box, so you can apply an easily understood label to it, and skip along your merry way having avenged the unfortunate souls, while not having achieved anything of substance. So you can keep trying to lay the trap to win the internet and drop a boulder on my head, but you are wasting your time. The real discussion is there is you want to have it. If you want to keep raging, have at it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:24 PM) Why is it okay to continue to use this racial slur? Feel free to reference previous posts where you have answered this simple, direct question. lol. I NEED IT SIMPLE!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:19 PM) You're using terms like "goalposts" and "meme," but I'm not sure you know what they actually mean. I've been pretty consistent in asking you to explain why it's okay to keep using a racial slur. I've also consistently asked you to explain why stopping using that racial slur is worse for AmerIndian causes than continuing to use it. You've done nothing but hand-waive that away and insist that not using racial slurs is akin to censorship, and that really nobody should find them offensive in the first place. What you've continually failed to actually address are the original goal posts. Regardless of your insistence that they shouldn't, substantial numbers of AmerIndians find the continued use of this racial slur offensive. Now, complete the following sentence: "Nevertheless, Dan Snyder should continue to use a racial slur as his team's name because ____________." That's the original goalpost, and you keep trying to talk about other things. I have, but they don't fit your meme, which is exactly what you are doing here. You want to boil this down to one cute and simple sentence so it fits in a meme. If you don't get it by now, you don't care to get it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:13 PM) I think you need to get around to explaining why it's good to keep using a racial slur. You'll just move the goalposts like you have this entire thread to reframe the argument into something else. Explain Outrage Explain Outrage I think we covered all of that already.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) You don't get to decide whether a group targeted by a racial slur gets to find it "cute and funny" and whether or not it matters if they're subjected to racial slurs and stereotypes. Members of that group do. So which argument are you actually making here? That there are more important issues, or that this isn't even a racial slur in the first place and there's no reason to change it? Do I need to boil it back to to meme form to keep it simple? I know what I am saying can't be captioned in a picture. That isn't my goal here.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:32 PM) I'm not someone targeted by the slur, but there are people who are who want it changed. Why should we accept ss2k5's casual dismissal of their concerns as unimportant? Everyone is targeted by slurs. Some society has given power to and those are bad, most are cute and funny, and are perfectly acceptable in both common usage and in most other forms. Those we didn't give this mystical power to. Doesn't matter if someone dresses up as one of those stereotypes.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:23 PM) Who are you to say that an NFL team no longer using a racial slur would not improve anyone else's life? this is a false choice. there is nothing that says if you want the racial slur to stop being used, you can't/don't care about anything else. "meme" makes no sense in this context, either. All you've said so far is that "there are more important things." That is obviously true, but that doesn't mean the less important things that are really trivially easy to do if literally one person would stop being a jackass (Snyder) can't or shouldn't be done as well. Noting that there are larger American Indian issues does not justify the continued use of a racial slur as the name of an NFL team. Except all reality shows that you are wrong. No one is doing a damned thing about the bigger problem, because no one cares to. The reality is much to complex for that, which is why the argument gets boiled down to OMGREDSKINS, instead of what the real problem is. It is why this entire thread is pointed at the nickname, instead of the real problem, when the reality is that the nickname doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things. But we have our meme that we can post! Look it is an Indian and a White guy in a headdress!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) I forgot the part about more than half the babies are born out of wedlock or to single mothers, and roughly 25% of the population (African-American and Hispanic-American) has about the same chance of graduating from university as ending up in prison. Meanwhile, countries like UAE, Bahrain and Qatar are making tremendous economic progress while American students slowly fall backwards to the rest of the developing world in the areas of math, science, physics and chemistry. American government can be summed up in one sentence: Citizens United with Koch Brothers leads to 14% approval rating for Congress and more time spent trying to undo Obamacare than solve any real problems in America. I love when people misuse educational statistics to make leaps that are actually true. What is really happening there is that the selected top level students are making gains against a country that requires education of all students, even when they aren't educatable. They ignore the massive unemployment, and transients populations who aren't getting educations in their respective countries, and probably aren't even allowed to.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:21 PM) In other words...shouldn't we first try to fix the Native American situation vs. focus on the name of the football team. Or at least that is my interpretation of what you are saying. Exactly. The name of a football team literally means nothing to the real victims here. Even when the name is changed, and people act like a victory has been won, nothing has been done for the actual victims here.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) I'm still struggling to see anything in there that justifies continued usage of a racial slur or how it will somehow empower people who are the target of that slur. I'm struggling to see what banning the use of a word does to achieve anything either.