southsider2k5

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) And my argument is that there's a cause and effect that is stupid. If you put in a measure that prevents more citizen voters than cases of voter fraud, which in all evidence these do exactly that, then the election is LESS legitimate, not MORE. The only problem with that is you have no idea how effective ID is because there is no reporting of people who are legitimately turned away, or otherwise don't even try to vote because they know they can't get away with it. You only hear the very few people who complain, and even in those cases they can take a provisional ballot and vote anyway, and prove that they are indeed legitimate. So the reality is that no one should be "disenfranchised" by these rules. That is entirely propaganda.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 03:00 PM) So i clearly thought they tried to acquire him mid-season instead of during the off-season and had his contract status messed up. I also made two other points as to why that proposal was not ridiculous but apparently the mix-up was the only thing worth taking out of it. What you got right doesn't matter, it is only what you got wrong.

Purdue Rocks.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) I'm not addressing your red herring thank you. And I consider the policies of how our citizens vote to be considerably more important to the health of our democracy than the regulations in place for accountants. You have a strong enough lobby, use your corporate might. So do I. Which is why I think fraud should be fought with obvious measures, such as ID.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 02:14 PM) Because there's no downside to having the rest of the world believing that your accounting standards are shoddy and worthless. And there is to having the world think your government is?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) If you have a law that may be effective in preventing the incredibly small cases of voter fraud at the cost of hundreds of US citizens right to vote, is it a good law? This is the equivelant of bloodletting. We do exactly this for accounting fraud, except for jobs and income.

Now if he played Purdue, that would have been news.

Lesser known Jim Breuer played on my college campus before his SNL stint.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) Oh, ok, thank you for coming out in favor of registration for gun owners. I'm surprised you'd be willing to go that far. OMFG YOU GOT ME!

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) The impact of corporate fraud is a greater risk. We all know what happens when corporations are not regulated properly. As opposed to an illegal coup of the country?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) But you will agree it has not done so already? They have offered it for years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) One other worthwhile point. Gun crime is not, in general, rampant. I've never been victim of it. But we can all see that it does happen, in various forms. So why is it bad to require registration for everyone who owns a gun? The response should, of course be..."well, gun crime is illegal. Why are we punishing people who are following the law for the actions of criminals?" Voter fraud is illegal. When there are allegations of voter fraud, they are acted upon. Same story. Asking "Why is it bad to act on that" is the wrong question...the United States already does act on it by investigating it as a crime and arresting people if it happens (and it's a very, very, very difficult crime to get away with). Corporate Accounting Fraud isn't rampant, in fact we have had very, very few convictions of it. The fraud is illegal. Why not repeal the Sox requirements costing companies billions of dollars?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) The other problem is that it can be very difficult for people with incomplete documents, physical limitations, lack of transportation, or working-hour jobs to get ID. You can come up with a dozen other reasons. The answer is not to make it easy for everyone to get an ID. The answer is to provide everyone with a valid ID, at state expense, if you want to institute one of those laws. Which also means hunting down the people who are difficult to find, at state expense. If the state is not proactively doing so, then the state is disenfranchising people. The State of Indiana will provide people with an ID for voting purposes.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) He was also a Chicago White Sox player, and after a spectacular 2007, he couldn't hit a fastball. I sure don't remember it as "spectacular".

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) You can add Ricky "Wild Thing" Vaughn to the list Sheen is an attention whore of the finest variety.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) The only appropriate author would be Joe Cowley And I don't think he has the spine to do it because that is who he learned his style from.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) Could you imagine the column he would write if this happened to any sports figure in Chicago? I wish someone creative out there would write a "Jay Mariotti" column on Jay's problems. That would be spectacular.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) then prove it. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:03 PM) This is why these issues never go anywhere. A roadblock is instantly thrown up to prevent any real progress from being made.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) I'm hoping to have the same role I did for his last Governor campaign. (nothing)

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/29/jud...to-stand-trial/

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) Ok, I'll keep repeating untrue things. Voter ID laws are a necessary step to prevent voter fraud. Voter fraud is rampant in this country. Voter ID bills do not discriminate against African Americans or the poor. The Republican party wants to encourage minorities to vote and would never dare take steps to intimidate them away from their legal right to vote. This is why these issues never go anywhere. A roadblock is instantly thrown up to prevent any real progress from being made.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) By nothing changes I mean J4L's pessimism, Felix busting out stats, Steve arguing with Felix, etc. Ah, I gotcha. Disregard then!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) If you turn away all the black people poor people people who don't have the appropriate form of ID, then that makes the vote of the white person rich person person with the ID count more. Keep repeating it, too many people already accept it as the truth.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 12:26 PM) Gone for 2 weeks and nothing changes. I missed SoxTalk. Like the Mirotic draft-and-stash and if we get a guy who can spell Deng and play D at 30, I can live with that. Nothing will change until the CBA gets fixed. If you were expecting something new, I wouldn't click into this thread until after an agreement was reached.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) The answer to this is stricter voter ID controls. when it is 20% turnout, any fraud would have a much larger effect than at say 50%.