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I was so surprised when I got to the end: :rolly

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 4, 2005 -> 10:22 AM) I agree with you that the death penalty is a joke but that's because the appeals process takes an average of 8 or 9 years and it is not applied in a uniform manner. That being said I want to see these two sick f***s hung upside down and beaten to a bloody pulp. There is no punishment too extreme for those who do things like that to defensless children. Actually, I think it's closer to 17 or 18 years, but I digress. I want thes peole hung up like a pinata and anyone that's ever been abused gets to take a whack!

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 4, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) Old habits die hard I guess

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 4, 2005 -> 09:53 AM) You'd be surprised as to how difficult it actually is to sue an HMO when they disallow treatment for patients who need it. I don't know much about the specifics of it all, but I do know that doctors are human. They are not flawless. Mistakes happen. Now, if it's a mistake caused by neglect or malice, the victim absolutely deserves compensation and the Dr deserves to lose his license. But, when it's the kind of mistake that every single human being can make, they shouldn't be raked through the coals. Yes, we should aim for perfection, but it's a mighty goal.

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 4, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) And we're arguing because?..... I was wondering the same thing.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Feb 4, 2005 -> 09:51 AM) Death penalty is too easy. Just imagine what his life would be like in prison for the rest of his life. That's the ticket! Give him that!

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 4, 2005 -> 09:56 AM) Like I said, not a real news show. And neither I nor Nuke have claimed that they were.

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 05:01 PM) You go right ahead and take medical accountability out of the picture, but when you have that surgery and the doctor accidentally takes something extra, or the wrong thing to begin with, I'm sure you'll be glad that you have no recourse for your damages. I don't want to take it completely out of the picture. It just needs to be a little more responsible.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 06:02 PM) It's not any kind of a news show. It's a discussion forum. Yeah, a video taped editorial.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) So sad.. http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/10801461.htm?1c Malarcik said Lonnie McKenzie is on suicide watch. He said McKenzie has a history of mental health problems and is despondent. Why am I not surprised that his lawyer didn't wait too long to get that out there? :rolly

0 - 40 Selfless spirit. You don't think much of yourself--literally--and it's probably helped you get along with people and reduce the anxiety in your life.

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) You're the only person I know that can look at a story about how out of control medical bills put someone in the poorhouse, look at a world where you can't swing a cat without it hitting an ad for prescription drugs, or you go to the emergency room and get charged 75 dollars for getting a cup of ice chips (not that I speak from personal experience or anything) and blame lawyers. People don't sue unless their treatment is screwed up. You put your life in a doctor's hands whenever he treats your illness. If he's negligent, he oughta damn well be held responsible. There's a reason Doctor bills are so high and I believe it's directly related to malpractice insurance, which is directly related to out of control lawyers and lawsuits. Also, I did that based on who the story came from (Canadian Bush hater) and I knew the direction this thread would take (Socialized healthcare) and headed it off at the pass. Is there a problem with that?

QUOTE(winodj @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 11:37 AM) MSNBC has Scarborough Country and didn't they just hire Tucker Carlson - who has his own show on PBS, for Christ sakes. CNBC has Dennis Miller. The so called "liberal media" doesn't have a liberal voice on it worth a damn as far as I can see. BTW: I didn't watch the State of the Union. I was too busy working. All after the fact of Fox News becoming number 1. Personally, I can't stand Hannity. He likes to hear himself talk too much.

QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 10:58 AM) When I was seventeen, I drank a very good beer, I drank a very good beer I purchased with a fake ID, My name was Brian McGee, I stayed up listening to Queen, When I was seventeen. Very nice. I can't believe I forgot that.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 10:32 AM) Still hungover? lol

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) Oh I can top that. Drinking at campground in Indiana beach. We were very orderly for being 17&18 yr old kids. We made friends right away with the old couple parked next to us. Then a cop drove by and saw one of the girls with a beer in her hand. Apparently they were investigating some unruly kids down the block from us and once they spotted her with a beer they stopped by us. The old couple immediately came to our defense saying we weren't causing any trouble and to leave us alone. Cops didn't care. They made us take down all our stuff...We had 2 tents up and a big tarp over the picnic table. We had to pack everything in the cars. My one friend screamed "this is such bulls***" and they handcuffed him and put him in the squad. After we packed everything up they made us dump out our whopping 2 cases of beer between the 8 of us. Then they handcuffed all of us and brought us to police station, leaving the cars at the campground. When this happened I couldn't believe it. I just kept saying "You're not suppose to do this...you're just suppose to take our beer" "Why are you arresting us" "they just take the beer away in Chicago" the cop was like...this ain't chicago son, you're going to jail. The girls started crying and they ended up letting them go....but us 5 guys all got taken to the station. 3 of my friends were 18 so they actually got arrested and put in jail. Me and my other friend were 17 so they had to call my parents. CALL MY PARENTS AT 11:30 AND TELL THEM TO COME PICK ME UP AT POLICE STATION IN INDIf***INGANA. I won't go into details on how that ride home went...but I'm sure you can visualize. Till this day I'm still kinda pissed the cops did that. We weren't causing trouble. We didn't have hard liquor. Didn't have drugs. Didn't even have a lot of beer. Nobody was driving. They easily could have just taken our beer and slapped us on the wrist. We were basically a good group of kids just hanging out. I know underage drinking is against the law, but it's basically because kids are irresponsible. I just think the cops could have used some judgemet here. It amounted to a speeding ticket for going 5 miles over. Yes it's against the law....but gimmie a fricken break. Most of Indiana is not like that, but I believe your story because I have heard a lot of the same about Indiana Beach and White County in general.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 09:34 AM) More to the point, we need to socialize the catastrophic aspects of medical care coverage. We missed the boat when we had a chance to socialize health care, and I don't want to ressurrect that debate. But, there are finally some people that are now saying there should at least be a universal safety net that catches the people who have done everything by the book - hard working, have health insurance, etc. - and still risk being wiped out when an unforeseen health issue appears. According to the article and an NPR bit yesterday, medical expenses of Scary to think that, given the mysteries of the organism, it can happen to anybody at any time. I won't ressurrect that debate either. I disagree.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 09:45 AM) Perhaps not. Especially since they will either make the home all electric or put in a piggyback system which uses gas only in extreme temperatures (below freezing down here lol), which cuts way down on gas usage. Still 5,000 sq. feet is a big assed house. I wouldn't want to raise seven kids (six toddlers) and have to clean that baby! lol Yeah, I guess I wasn't thinking about it being Alabama. I know here (NW Indiana), my house is drafty as s*** and I keep it at 68 degrees. My buddy's house is twice the size, and he keeps it at 72 degrees. Our bills are very close to the same.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 09:44 AM) There's a simple solution here.............. he can always move to Australia. Who would want to live there?

QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 11:49 PM) From what I hear, all utility expenses are paid for by the guys who do the show. I hadn't heard that, but think about this. If their house was rundown and drafty their bills were probably high already. Now, EMHD comes in and makes it totally efficient, a new more efficient furnace, water heater, etc and I'll bet there isn't that big of a difference in the two bills, before and after.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 08:00 AM) Headline from a column in the Baltimore Sun In a city that knows about charm, Sosa shows deft touch from start By being an hour late for the press conference?

QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 07:58 PM) If I wasn't quitting in 2 weeks, perhaps. Awwww. Booooo!

Just another reason we need medical liability reform.

Oh yeah, IMO, I think it was the best of his State of the Union speeches as of yet. It wasn't near as good as the joint session after 9/11, but the best SOTU by far.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 3, 2005 -> 03:32 AM) You guys just cannot stand that there is a television station that gives the conservative viewpoint. For the first 30 or so years of my life, you could not get this point of view from radio or TV unless it was on "Meet the Press" or similar show. Of course, you'd had to listen to the liberal rhetoric as well. I think it's about damn someone started putting it out there and making all the left wing dings squirm. YES!