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QUOTE(bmags @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 03:04 PM) i think coheed is getting rather big, from what i've gathered... i'm sorry man, i just hate rush, dream theatre, early genesis, and s*** like coheed. None is as bad as coheed with their, oh my god, a running story among all three albums! but, i still dislike it. I don't even like late pink floyd much. I like animals, but i don't think anything is as good as the stuff they did with Syd Barret... Don't even lump early Genesis (the REAL Genesis) in with everything else up there. It couldn't be helped that they were so all over the map musically that there had to be a new designation (prog rock or art rock or whatever) for what they were doing. Selling England by the Pound and Trespass are high water marks for the style and for album rock as well. There is almost nothing beyond the Lamb Lies Down that is even worth listening to as far as Genesis goes. I agree there are losts of cases where prog rock groups pressed things to the point of absurdity. Most of the E.L.P. catalog comes to mind as does the more ponderous musical masturbations on Yes albums like Relayer and Topographic Oceans. And I'm not nearly the devotee of the style as Kid is (not by a longshot). But to me, the amorphous prog rock label has basically meant anything that doesn't feel it needs to adhere to typical pop formulae for song structure and takes a stab at something new. And it is maleable too, which is I think an inherent part of the style (non-style?). King Crimson had pretty much jumped the shark creatively, as talented as Fripp and Co. were. But then the streamlined Belew/Levin/Bruford iteration comes along and it wasfresh and frenzied and relevant again.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) Two words: b****es Brew. I was just listening to that about a week ago. hadn't put it on in probably two years.

QUOTE(JimH @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) Personally I think Cotrane should be in there, but no matter. I'm more interested in watching the Cream reunion concert on Channel 11 Wed. nite. Ginger Baker was one of the ugliest dudes around back in 1967. I frightened to see what he looks like now.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 12:11 PM) Rush was a HUGE band, they are still going as the three same members. They have had more influence on people than Blondie has. It's just now in retrospect that they are NOT carrying on as well, due to the "Prog Rock" negativity that the world has gained. But Rush was huge. They deserve it more than many bands that have been placed in there. Same goes for Judas Priest. I'll give you Rush, but notJudas Priest as Hall-worthy. Whatever "Hall-worthy" is worth, anyway. Rush are the undisputed inheritors of the power trio mantle previously worn by Cream, the Experience, and ZZ Top. Nirvana could maybe have wrested the title away if they survived. Yeah, they should be in the Hall.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) Just in theory, what alphabet would be up next? I don't think anyone ever worried enough about it to come oup with a third alphabet. My guess would be that there is not another foreign alphabet familiar enough in the western world to be used, and they might opt for Roman numerals if we ever saw a season get that far. Of course that's never gonna happen. . .

QUOTE(BigEdWalsh @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 11:47 PM) So you're saying Miles Davis had a huge influence on country music? Seriously, whatever influence he may have had on rock and roll was slight and not hall of fame worthy. It's ridiculous when true rock legends are being ignored and Miles Davis is in. Is Leon Russell in? Dr. John? Carol King? The Mothers of Invention? Zappa was inducted in 1995. Sure, an argument can be made that the MOI should be in the HOF in their own right, but Frank was the genius behind MOI and his induction recognizes all facets of his life's work, IMO. It is an unbelievable travesty that Carole King is not in if that is true. I pay little attention to who is inducted anymore, and agree wholeheartedly about the incrreasingly diluted pool of potential inductees. Miles influenced 20th century music in more ways than can be chronicled, though, so I'm not going to argue his induction.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 11:01 AM) Jim you come out of that closet right now! Not without me mu-mu.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 10:47 AM) Um, so this is after Delta? So... what's Flaxx going to do for this one? I'm still rummaging in my closet for the mu-mu, thank you very much.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 12:58 AM) I'm an insider! http://thedanreport.blogspot.com/2005/11/d...e-released.html That means your file at the FBI is bigger than the rest of ours. .

I just think you are taking your anger out on the wrong people. "They all do it" isn't cutting it anymore with all that is becoming known about the White House mechanations regarding the war. Bombshell revelations have not touched the administration, and so it appears that only unleashing an avelanche of every bit of evidence that practically everything about the war stinks and/or is a lie is finding any chinks in the administration armor. The war was a done deal way before it happened, was ill-conceived with practically no planning as to what would happen after major combat operations were finished. The threat Saddam posed to America were intentionally mischaracterized. Coalition military/paramilitary/CIA have engaged in systematic torture. There is no oversight or accountability with regard to reconstruction funds. The administration blasts its critics as not supporting the troops, but sends them over untrained, lacking in body armor or armor for vehicles, uses stoploss and ready reserve to extends tours indefinately and call up veteran reservists who have more than done their bit – all while working to gut VA benefits and the like back home. Cheney, Rummy, and Maclellan openly talk about the negative MSM reports and protester efforts emboldening the enemy and it is so preposterous but people buy into it. Like the shake and bake at Fallujah didn't embolden the enemy. Like an Iraqi family needs to turn on CNN to become outraged at teh occupation, because apparently having their family members blown to bits somehow didn't drive it home for them. I bet New Yorkers didn't need to tune into the VVC to be outraged and emboldened on 9-11. But for the average angry Iraqi, my railing against the war apparently does more to embolden them than all the civillian collateral damage they see us inflicting every day does. I am as appalled as you are that America has put itself into a position to be so mercilessly bashed and trashed. But the blame needs to be placed at the feet of the administration.

Ah, the timelessness that is the funk of forty-thousand years.

More "s*** we're finding over there" that Kap and others may or may nort care about. From the PBS Frontline story linked above: Spc. Tony Lagouranis (Ret.) was a U.S. Army interrogator from 2001 to 2005, and served a tour of duty in Iraq from January 2004 to January 2005. He was first stationed at Abu Ghraib; in the spring he joined a special intelligence gathering task force that moved among detention facilities around the country. Here, he talks about how he found a "culture of abuse" permeating interrogations throughout Iraq. Highlights: You are right, Kap. This is the kind of stuff that has gotten "very old" and we'd all rather not read about it happening. Of course, some people go even farther and actually believing it should not be happening instead of merely pretending it is not. And piling on awful story after awful story about abuse after abuse after abuse is, again, the apparent last recourse of the handful of citizens who think we are going down a very dark path and the consequences for the country are going to be tremendous.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 03:44 PM) No, my response is to your response(s) to almost everything posted on this forum that we're a bunch of sadistic, egotisical bastards that rushed into war without a premise, reason, justification, moral reason, or any other "postive" thing that we can try to go in there with. Last time I checked, there have been how many attacks on our interests and how many people innocent dead because of these idiots? Oh wait, we're a bunch of civillian killers, too. "Tens of thousands"... link please... :rolly I know it's "unAmerican" to you that we "conservatives" stick our head in the sand, and be blindly led down your point of view, aka, self-destruction. The difference is that I choose to think that there's ALWAYS more then is being told, and that there's probably more then meets the eye in circumstances like these. I don't choose to sit and dig up 7,246,237,457,234 and 3/4's links and piles of articles supporting my stance of why I hate George W. Bush's policies and why they suck and how he's an evil, evil schmuck who not only ......."LIED"....... but has also bastardized what it is to be a "war" president. I don't give a rat's ass about just a very few assholes who go over there and break laws. If they did this, fry the bastards. In fact, fry them, put ketchup on them, and fry 'em again. But boy, isn't it amazing how this becomes a rally cry for everything we're doing wrong over there. We have to keep finding s*** over and over and over and over to justify why it is we are SOOOOOOOOOOO WRONNNNNNNG. It gets very old. And so it goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on.......... "Tens of thousands is a substantiated and almost certainly a conservative estimate, yet sadly still a piddling number deserving of the old :rolly :rolly :rolly http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ is a well-sourced tally site that bases its estimates on the numbers of dead reported in at least two verifiable news sources, and even goes so far as to post an absolute minimum estimate along with the higher body counts reported in the press. Currently, they estimate the number of civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq at between 27,115 and 30,559. As to the need to "keep finding s*** over and over and over and over to justify why it is we are SOOOOOOOOOOO WRONNNNNNNG," yes that seems to be precisely what it is taking to get a sleepwalking American public to pay some attention. Last week on this forum was a perfectly good example, Kap. When the thread got posted about how the White House knew full well that there was no evidence for an Al Quaida/Saddam connection, you greeted that with a similar shrug, noting that it was old news and you'd basically known it for years. But withi the context of the current debate over whether intel was cherry-picked, stretched and manufactured versus simply being bad, News of what was in that PDB is entirely relevant. And in fact, this weeked I looked at the wording of the Congressional Joint Resolution to use force. It specifically has these words in it: Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. . . Not to mention the discredited justifications of "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations." All of these and more are listed as the reasons why Congress gave war authorization. And they believed these to be the facts. The White House, on the other hand, knew by this tim that this was an unbelievably overstated of the facts at best, if not an outright sack of lies. Yet when these pesky points of factual history are brought into the light by the anti-war contingent, your feathers get ruffled because "it gets very old." You have my sincere apologies for being part of the problem. :rolly

Wow, well done Chaos! Enjoy the ride, and get some sleep now while you can!

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 09:48 AM) great post. by the way, why isn't death on here? I've heard stories of newlyweds losing their partner on their honeymoon, etc. that's sad. Way to hold out hope for some sort of reprieve, spoken like a soon-to-be newlywed!

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 07:44 AM) In reality I'll bet Jim has let go, the family seems like a huge upgrade. That I have, and of course if I had somehow worked things out with the alien fiend dressed in human skin 14 years ago I wouldn't be where i am with my wife and kida now. All of whom appear to be keepers at the moment. But I think it's good to keep some small bit of the bitterness over the failed ones too, even if only to empathize with others and give a point of reference.

You sheltered lucky souls have all had it too easy if you were able to so easily pigeonhole one of these choices as the worst. Until you have been on the losing end of a long-term relationship gone bad, in which apathy leads to unrequite and also infidelity, then you are all rank amateurs in the world of bad relationships. So put me down for the apathy/unrequite/infidelity trifecta. And for kicks, throw in the shame of having subjugated self for the supposed betterment of the whole for so many years that when it finally does come crashing down you've forgotten who you used to be and what you once thought was important. Still bitter after 14 years? Who, me?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 09:10 AM) As they said in the USSR, you have nothing to fear from the KGB if you are a law abiding citizen. So you have nothing to fear about our government. Sadly, tragically so, I'd say 3/4 of the US population believes this statement without any sarcasm whatsoever.

I have an unpainted, uncarved, ungood pinewood derby car with the wheels slapped on it that my wholly unhandy Dad thought passed for a father and son scout project when I was in third grade. If I remember correctly (obviously this is a repressed memory of a traumatic experience), they had to shave it down a bunch before it could race and lose horribly because it was heavier than the rules allowed.

Happy Birthday Lower Case Apu-blican! Have a Guinness or three for me at Murphy's, and a big-ass LaBamba chorizo burrito to top it off.

Sorry, you mis-typed: this is NOT SexTalk. (But don't worry, their are guys here with worse spelling than you're spelling.)

Like Robert Downy Jr. starting a D.A.R.E chapter. Like Jennifer Lopez starting a marriage counselling service. Like John Rocker starting a cultural diversity appreciation non-profit. Like O.J. starting up a shelter for battered women.

Sounds good, except you missed: . . . And some Blessed Virginy Goodness® and sell on eBay for an assload of money.

Got that finger right on the pulse of pop culture, eh? I'm down wit' O.P.PA.