Gregory Pratt

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 01:05 PM) Hahahaha. Leave it to you to say agree to disagree when all you ever do is disagree with everything said on this site. You arent happy with any coach, gm or owners of any team in chicago. No coach is considered great unless they are in another city. We can agree to disagree if you like. But there arent many people who are familiar with sports that will disagree with Lovie Smith being one of the top coaches in the NFL. Did I say he wasn't one of the better or top coaches? I say he's good but not great. Leave it to you to slurp management here.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 12:56 PM) Who then? Lovie is one of the top coaches in the NFL hands down. Besides the results that he brings, the wins, and also the coaching awards, what else do you need to see to determine that he is one of the best in the NFL. most everyone else involved with the NFL agrees with me and he has a coach of the year award to prove it. He followed that up by taking his team to the super bowl the following season. Im beginning to think that you may go through life always wondering if the grass is greener on the other side as you arent happy with any coach or management running ANY chicago team. What part of "he's a good-but-not-great" coach don't you understand? I'm happy enough with him as coach but wish we had someone like Bill Belichick. I'd take a few others over him as well. Dungy. You just can't handle the mildest of criticisms of your lord and savior Chicago sportsmen because anytime anyone criticizes anyone in Chicago you go, "Oh, oh, he's so good, how dare you!" Jesus Christ, I acknowledge that he's good, say he's not great. Agree to disagree and leave it alone. (PS: Coach of the Year doesn't mean he's acknowledged as one of the best. People understand he is one of the better coaches in football but Coach of the Year doesn't mean you're one of the best. Just that you deserved it for being good when you werne't expected to be or for taking your team further than some thought it would go.)

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 12:52 PM) Well. You were very confident that our offense will not improve next season. I am saying that they will. All i am asking is that you stand by your claim. This team is not as bad as they played this year, nor are all the players. We certainly have huge holes to plug. But if they play this season 10 times, this just may have well been the worst case scenario. Many of the players are just as bad as they've played this year. And if you played this season ten times, you might find this season could get worse. This is a terrible team to start building off of except maybe pitching but even that's looking iffy to me.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 12:50 PM) So we agree that they will score more runs next season than they did this season? I think that's very possible but I don't think that's saying much. you're really going on a limb, you know? I would bet that we're still bad next year.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 12:09 PM) Besides maybe one other coach, Lovie has to be considered the best or one of the best in the league hands down. Respective to their sports, he is head and shoulders above Ozzie, even with Ozzie's ring. What? Only one other Coach is better than him? Who the hell is that? Belichick? And then no one? Give me a break.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 12:40 PM) Well. Taking the horribly unpredictable methods of statistics. There is a huge chance that our star players wont play like 2007's outliers. If you would like to, I would bet you at least one cubs/sox pair of tickets that we score more runs next year than we did this year. I wouldn't make that bet just yet but I'd definitely wager against the Sox offense being anything resembling good next year. I'd bet against the Sox being a top half offensive team next year, if they bring back 7 of our nine starters, or Crede.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 12:37 PM) KW obviously. NOBODY that has the number 1 pick does what you just said. The only reason you said it was because you wanted to say something negative about the management of this team. sounds like contempt for Reinsdorf + his friendship with Selig + the draft "slot" suggestions + our scouts than, say, hatred of KW. I'm not sure what we'll do, but I'll laugh pretty hard if we take Jordan Danks with a top five pick.

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 12:14 PM) Of course some players take a little (or maybe even a lot) longer to develop. Still, you can't ignore the results to date. Based on that, there's no reason to get overly excited about any 2007 Sox rookie. KW really has his work cut out for him this off season. Even if he's at the top of his game, we're probably looking at several seasons more of bad baseball on the south side. We are only a player or two away, my friend. the bullpen will be good next year because that's how relievers work (good/bad), the pitchers will get better and the offense will go back to the back of the baseball card. Yeees!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 09:08 AM) yeah, its hard to support one of the best coaches in the league who has lived up to almost everything he has set out to do from the outset. No matter he rebuilt the team the way he wanted it and got us to the superbowl in 3 years. No matter his team had one of the highest scoring offenses and best defenses in the league last season. No matter his team has improved steadily over his tenure. No matter he is not only one of the most respected coaches in the league, but that his team has a better image than most in the NFL. No matter all of that. Hes not great until he......................... ....wins the Super Bowl.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 11:54 AM) Yep, that's exactly what we've said all along. Floyd is great, and with Fields, Richar, Gonzalez, and Owens, the Sox will be back on top in no time. :rolly Get real. I think we've got realer assessments of Floyd and Owens, in particular, than those who are spouting this "He's better!" nonsense, or who talk about how he's got hot stuff in his arm.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 10:19 AM) We all have seen some new things this season, but I have to just shake my head reading "Sox fans" come up with excuses for White Sox players success. "Well, you can't really give credit to Floyd in his start at Detroit, and it's such a big park," or "Well, it was raining pretty good, which can make it hard for Indian hitters" I know a lot of you have your internet ego's to keep up with, but GMAB. It's one thing to root for a high pick, that helps with the future. But to look for actual reasons to discount young players success is a different story. "Internet Egos" = KW's "Can't possibly admit Gavin's not a Top Prospect" ego. And you're just as guilty as I. You called Jerry Owens' recent success the worst thing that could happen to this team. s***, man. Jerry's just turning it around and showing us what he's REALLY capable of. Why would you put him down like that, yo? What's up with that?

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 09:57 AM) I agree. Do people not watch the games? Even against a lousy DET lineup, Floyd would have been crushed if that park didn't turn HRs into outs. What do you want to believe, Floyd's entire career up till now, or 3 starts in September? He's not good. And neither are any of the other young players on the Sox (Richar, Fields, Danks, go on down the line). Danks is young enough that he could still turn into a league average pitcher at some point for a few seasons. But realistically, no team in baseball has as bleak a future as the Sox. I wish it weren't true, but watch the games -- I don't see anyone that looks like a future all-star. How dare you suggest such a thing! He's just got good 410 foot warning track pitches.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 09:05 AM) Because we all know Ozzie has a problem saying what he means... Good lord that it some creative reading. If Ozzie doesn't like a guy, he won't hestitate to throw him under the bus, get into the bus, start the bus up, and procede to drive over the player about 50 times. Took him quite awhile to outright throw Anderson under the bus. And he still says nice things about him sometimes. Why would Ozzie throw Gavin Floyd under the bus? Floyd's a nice guy. Floyd tries hard. Ozzie never throws guys under the bus because they're lousy or he thinks they're lousy. If he really believed in Floyd, he'd say much nicer things, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's heard (in the paper and through convos.) that Ozzie really doesn't like Floyd as a pitcher and he's KW's boy, that's it.

But hey, I'm going to leave this thread to the "believers" and the "converted"

THAT ARTICLE! Says that Ozzie isn't sold which is polite. S'not his call. Ozzie already tried moving him to the pen and was overruled.

Umm, like Ozzie.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 08:23 AM) Ya well you openly said here that you were rooting against him before he even threw a single pitch for this team. You never gave him a chance. He's shown he has a solid fastball(91-93 is perfectly fine when you can move it a bit like he can), he has a good curveball yet an inconsistant one and while he rarely uses his changeup, he has flashed one from time to time just to show teams he has one. IF(and it's still a big if) he can gain some consistancy in his curve, he can be at least a league average starter for this club imo. That would be absolutely huge because it does indeed give us more options in the offseason. I declared awhile ago that his most recent starts haven't been that impressive and claimed that, I'm sure, many people in baseball agreed. Well, Ozzie does, and I'm glad for that. People here have said, and I've heard, that Ozzie really doesn't think Floyd is worth much but KW forces him on him. Truth is that Floyd is not good. His fastball is okay, but nothing special and definitely not electric, especially when it dies from the stretch.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 08:10 AM) Floyd has the best arm on the team, assuming Contreras doesn't find a fountian of youth somewhere. The kid is showing signs of improvement, as he has shutdown a couple of real good offenses in Cleveland and Detroit. He needs to work on his testicular fortitude and practice out of the stretch. Overall I like the progress we are getting, and I can now see him in the rotation next year. How can people say that a guy whose arm lags in the stretch at the major league level has a great arm? And he throws 91-93 most the time, 87-89 from the stretch, with a good curveball, no changeup, lousy slider. But what, exactly, makes him a great arm? 91-93 and no ability to pitch from the stretch. Yeah. I, for one, am happy that Ozzie doesn't buy it yet.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 11:10 PM) Did Pratt brainwash you? Did he make buddahs to seize your hate for eternity on Floyd? You're better than this. Even though you still love Reed.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 11:06 PM) I love September evaluations. Besides that, one of these outings was in the rain and the other against Detroit was, if watched carefully, one with good results but he gave up some deep shots that are bombs anywhere but Detroit. He's not to be counted on for anything other than fifth starter and that's probably being nice.

Hitting in the rain isn't that easy. Good for Gavin, though.

I love Ray Lewis

Help?

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 07:54 PM) His defense has been average. He seems to be streaky in the field, which is something we read about in the scouting report. Well, everyone else says he's played good. I haven't watched him enough.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) Question for the board....is Richar playing himself out of a starting spot for next year? No. It's his job to lose. He's played good D. And everyone likes his "potential." (I don't have a positive view of Richar but it does no harm to let him play it out.)