Gregory Pratt

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 01:59 AM) hell Rollins has a shot at getting to 30-20-30-30. That's even more impressive than Granderson. And I thought for some ridiculous reason that Philly would have traded him last offseason. Who the hell was I kidding? I know someone who thinks the Tigers will trade Granderson to really maximize his value. "Not a chance in hell," I said.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 07:44 PM) For clarity's sake, do deep fly balls count as homers tonight too? Yer kyoot. Don't look now, but he's got a perfect game going. S'not as good as David Wells', though.

So five minutes after a thrown away DP ball, Hawk just goes, "Yeeee-esuh," and then talks about how happy he is because you've got to be happy after a team this "inept" finally makes good with the bases loaded. Ha ha.

I said he's good. That's a good enough compliment.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 07:19 PM) You know, the more I read stuff like this, the more I am starting to understand the posters that are frustrated with the whole "get the number one pick" thing. Not that I care too much one way or the other about games now, or that I don't want a high pick. But for crying out loud, why is it so hard for people to have the patience to see what this guy can do? He's had 3 of his last 4 starts go very well, and even with the bad one he is sporting a 4.50 ERA. I think some of you are way more interested in being right about your hunches than you are about the team or its future being good. Haha, he struck Hafner out. Relax killer, I was making a funny. I still don't think Gavin is good at all and even now with four straight "good" starts he's got a 6+ ERA, and I've seen enough of him. Ozzie seems to have, too, the way he talks about him when he does. But yeah, even if we're talking about "seeing what he can do" and "caring about being right instead of the team's future," even you and the other Floyd supporters(of varying respects) understand that Floyd's future is a fifth starter at best. If we're counting on him to be anything more something has gone terribly wrong.

s***, no, please have this game. I was really hoping that Gavin would jumpstart Hafner.

Lovie Smith is a perfectly fine football coach but I'm not a big fan. I don't think he's good at making adjustments and I'm a much bigger fan of other coaches. It's nothing big and personal though, but leave it to RockRaines to crack if someone doesn't like a good-but-not-great Chicago coach.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 02:04 PM) If you follow the link there are a lot of hyperlinks embedded into the story. http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/09/09...s-it-a-forgery/ Tin foil! -- CIA says the voice is genuine, so that's all that matters to me, and "Freerepublic.com" + discussion = red flags.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 12:00 PM) Probably the worst thing that could happen for this team. I LOLed

Baseball doesn't care about steroids. It's good for their money, it's good for the fans, it's good for attendance. That's why certain things have been done certain ways with testing and all that. It's all a sham. I can't wait until Canseco shakes the baseball world.

Spears really got the s*** kicked out of her by Silverman, which was the highlight of the show. She's funny.

QUOTE(Dogfood22 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 11:06 PM) That's what you say but that's ignorant. You always see similar smaller deals where one team trades a guy that they think nothing of and he goes on to have success somewhere else where the fit is better. Like the Arroyo for WMP swap. Or the Jack Cust deal. These are just two examples but I'm sure you could find a lot more if you looked. Just because you personally want to crap all over a player doesn't mean that player is garbage. He can still have worth to another team. I also love how you neglect to respond the basis of my argument, i.e. that the Sox can afford to ask as much as they want for their SP who will be one of the top pitchers available over the offseason on the trade market. I never said Seattle would look at Heath Phillips as a player on the level of any of the main components in a deal. I simply stated my reasoning as to why he'd be a good fit and why the Sox would make him available. Basically, he'd be a useful throw-in in a deal where Seattle would want a little bit more than just Garland. I'm done with this conversation. Heath Phillips won't bring anything significant to us. And that's it.

As you know, the atmosphere's got a hole and that's said to be caused by CO2 and that's said to be caused by the increase we send out because for so long we didn't until we really started burning fossil fuels. But someone asked today, Why does the atmosphere let sunlight in but not let it out? You know, if the sunlight gets in but then some is retained by the Earth and some goes, but now that we've got this hole more heat is coming and staying, how come all of it doesn't just bounce right out? Does all of it come right in, easy access? How does heat and radiation coming in get in and stay in if it can be pierced in the first place?

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 10:48 PM) LaRussa can be classless, but in the 90's every team had guys on roids, and every manager probably had at least some idea about it. Let's not kid ourselves. Everybody knew about it, per Canseco + common sense. But I get what you're saying.

A part of me really wants Pedro Martinez to retire after this season and finalize his rough comparison to Sandy Koufax. Sure, Koufax retired younger but both have had injuries that have taken a toll, both dominated the game better than anyone, and both would have retired fairly young. I've thought for awhile that he might just come back this season, get his strikeouts and retire after. I don't really think he'll do it but this is interesting: Really would be nice, in a way. He definitely has nothing left to prove.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 10:39 PM) LaRussa hasn't had anymore steroid guys than any other manager. Look at the great Joe Torre-Giambi, Grimsley, Sheffield, Abreu?, Clemens? I can think of two other guys to add. But LaRussa really comes to mind when it comes to sleaze.

Look, Phillips is not going to get us anything of value. Even if someone thinks he can do well in a cavernous NL ballpark, he still won't bring us much. We aren't going to throw him in to pick up two useful prospects. Sorry to break it to you.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 09:40 PM) some team(s) with a bunch of question marks with their starting rotation will take flier on at least one of Haeger, Phillips, and Massett. I would like to see Massett kept however, but he probably has the most trade value of the three. None of them have trade value. If you traded either of them you'd be getting David Aardsma at best, but probably not even. Phillips is poor and Haeger is a knuckler. So no, they don't have trade value, and Masset has never been good in his career at any level so why would anyone give anything for him? QUOTE(Dogfood22 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 09:34 PM) Contract situation? He's making the minimum and IIRC will still have an option left next year. We're talking about Seattle as well. The Sox would probably have to throw in something else like a problematic reliever or an A ball or rookie level prospect, but I think that could be a good deal for them. I don't know if other teams will view Heath as worthless as Sox fans do. Again, he throws 4 pitches for strikes at any count and pitches to contact. That recipe has worked well in Seattle before and for that organization I think he could fit in at the #5. Of course it remains to be seen how desperate Seattle is for a pitcher over the offseason but methinks they will be quite desperate as their organization has turned a corner this year and I doubt they'll want to revert back to the team they were over the last few years. Maybe they won't even try to deal for Garland unless Jon's agent is willing to negotiate a contract extension? Umm, I wasn't talking money. He's going to be a free agent, if I recall correctly. Why would anyone want him, though?

I was referring to this: Lillibridge is a fair match for Phillips, though, definitely.

We're not going to add Heath Phillips to any offer so that another team will give us a top prospect. Heath's contract situation and mediocrity say, No.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 07:12 PM) I think Garland's value is better than Garcia's, but not a giant amount. I'd say something like this -- if you got two prospects the caliber of Gio Gonzalez (B type prospects -- nobody's Chris Young or anything of the sort), I'd think that's pretty reasonable. I don't see the fit with Colorado, though. Garland to Atlanta makes some sense -- their rotation is trash beyond the top two -- but I don't know if the money makes sense unless the guy we're getting back is Renteria. I'd do something like Garland + ??? for Renteria and Lillibridge, but I don't know if JS makes that trade (could I have set up a more perfect cue for Pratt's entrance?). Does Schuerholz trade Renteria + Lillibridge for Garland + money? I don't think so. There's a reason they wanted to do it straight up for Garland and that was when he was actually doing good and not spouting off about his "natural knot." Besides, Lillibridge has significant trade value, and so does Renteria. Schuerholz will be looking to maximize it, and this should be a creative offseason on Schuerholz' part as he's got a few SP holes to fill and many different ways to fill it. So no, I doubt he does that.

HAPPY HAPPY

This team would be much better off with a real quarterback and a better offensive coordinator. I'm not a big fan of Lovie, either, but Turner's not good at his job and neither is Grossman.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) My brother and I were talking about how suspicious so many Orioles players were, in terms of previous steroid use. One of the many guys I projected that was on the juice was Jay Gibbons. Look for the story to come out later tonight that he was one of the guys who used that Florida pharmacy. Baltimore was big.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 08:22 AM) Well this is hands-down the most embarrassing thread I've seen in my time in the 'Buster. I won't even bother trying to clean up anything, and instead say this: please, please, lets try to keep away from labelling all liberals as being like Al Qaeda (and yes Kap, that is 100% precisely what you did), and from labelling all the conservatives as brainless or otherwise stupid for wanting to stay the course. And I'll add just one talking point. If indeed the rhetoric being spewed by UBL has some similarities to stands taken by the Democrats... has it occurred to anyone that may have been done intentionally to try to keep the GOP in power in order to sustain the war? And that UBL and AQ have a vested interest in keeping the war going? Just something to consider. As I pointed out, that's the CIA's perspective, though they also believe that American political ideology is completely different than al-Qaeda's and they prefer certain leaders because they can be better morphed into a campaign. Of course I completely made that up and it was blasphemy. Hawt.